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As I was going to St Ives

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question, which might be understood to exclude the narrator. If only the narrator were travelling to St Ives, but the phrase, "kits, cats, sacks, and wives" excludes him, then the answer to the riddle is zero. If everyone—including those being carried—were travelling to St Ives, but only the kits, cats, sacks, and wives are counted, then the answer is precisely 2,800.
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St Ives, the word "met" does not necessarily exclude the possibility that they fell in while traveling in the same direction. In this case, there is no trick; just an arithmetical calculation of the number of kits, cats, sacks, and wives, along with the man and the narrator. Another possible answer
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numbers. The sequence 7, 7, 7, 7, 7 appears in the right-hand column, and the terms 2,801, 2×2,801, 4×2,801 appear in the left; the sum on the left is 7×2,801 = 19,607, the same as the sum of the terms on the right. The equality of the two geometric sequences can be stated as the equation
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seven wives, but that none of them was accompanying him on the journey. One way of stating the answer, taking account of these ambiguities, is "at least one, the narrator plus anyone who happens to be travelling in the same direction". Still other interpretations concern the phrasing of the
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St Ives. If everyone mentioned in the riddle were bound for St Ives, then the number would be 2,802: the narrator, the man and his seven wives, 49 sacks, 343 cats, and 2,401 kits.
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Owing to various ambiguities in the language of the riddle, several other solutions are possible. While it is generally assumed that the narrator met the man and his wives coming
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Note that the author of the papyrus listed a wrong value for the fourth power of 7; it should be 2,401, not 2,301. However, the sum of the powers (19,607) is correct.
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The earliest known published versions omit the words "a man with" immediately preceding the seven (or nine) wives, but he is present in the rhyme by 1837.
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involving houses, cats, mice, and grain, although in the Rhind Mathematical Papyrus there is no discussion beyond the bare outline stated above. The
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St Ives. The trick is that the listener assumes that all of the others must be totaled up, forgetting that only the narrator is said to be going
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in England when the rhyme was first published. It is generally thought that the rhyme refers to
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The following version is found in a manuscript (Harley MS 7316) dating from approximately 1730:
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This interpretation provided the basis for a verse reply from "Philo-Rhithmus" of
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Philo-Rhithmus (8 September 1779). "To the Publisher of the Weekly Magazine".
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A version very similar to that accepted today was published in the
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is going to St Ives—the narrator. All of the others are coming
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Chambers, Robert (29 April 1837). "A Hoax Extraordinary".
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The traditional understanding of this rhyme is that only
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Why the deuce do you give yourselves so much vexation,
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Of the number of cats, with their kittens and sacks,
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The St Ives Problem, a 4000 Year Old Nursery Rhyme?
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As I was going to St. Ives
St Ives, Cornwall
St Ives, Cambridgeshire
Roud
nursery rhyme
riddle
St Ives
St Ives, Cornwall
St Ives, Cambridgeshire
market town
Edinburgh
Ancient Egyptian units of measurement
Rhind Mathematical Papyrus
spelt
sic
hekat
algorithm
multiplying
paraphrased
story problem
hekat
cubit
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imp gal
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