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Chicken or the egg

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In Indonesia, during the summer of 2024, two men were at a drinking party when they entered into a chicken-or-egg debate. One man became so emotionally enraged, he left and returned with a knife, stabbing the other 15 times, killing him. It's uncertain which side - chicken or egg - the killer took.
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eggs specifically, the answer is still the egg, but the explanation is more complicated. The process by which the chicken arose through the interbreeding and domestication of multiple species of wild jungle fowl is poorly understood, and the point at which this evolving organism became a chicken is a
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shell around their eggs. Because OC-17 is expressed by the hen and not the egg, the bird in which the protein first arose, though having hatched from a non-reinforced egg, would then have laid the first egg having such a reinforced shell: the chicken would have preceded this first 'modern' chicken
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egg—that is, a hard-shelled egg that could be laid on land, rather than remaining in water like the eggs of fish or amphibians—appeared around 312 million years ago. In contrast, chickens are domesticated descendants of
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egg. However, the presence of OC-17 or a homolog in other species, such as turkeys and finches suggests that such eggshell-reinforcing proteins are common to all birds, and thus long predate the first chickens.
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found in modern chicken eggs may make the answer different. In the uterus, chickens produce ovocleidin-17 (OC-17), which causes the formation of the thickened
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By the end of the 16th century, the well-known question seemed to have been regarded as settled in the Christian world, based on the origin story of the
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over time, and thus that chickens had ancestors that were not chickens, similar to a view expressed by the Greek philosopher
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somewhat arbitrary distinction. Whatever criteria one chooses, an animal nearly identical to the modern chicken (i.e., a
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This article is about the philosophical dilemma. For the dish combining both chicken meat and eggs, see
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wrote that while the question seemed trivial, it "should be regarded as one of importance".
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The question represents an ancient folk paradox addressing the problem of origins and
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provides literal answers, made possible by the Darwinian principle that species
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A Brief History of the Paradox: Philosophy and the Labyrinths of the Mind
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If the question refers to eggs in general, the egg came first. The first
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and probably arose little more than eight thousand years ago, at most.
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in the mid 17th-century published an erudite satire on the subject.
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posed the question as a philosophical matter in his essay "
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is commonly stated as the question, "which came first: the
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Although the question is typically used metaphorically,
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Index

Chicken and egg problem
oyakodon

Tacuina sanitatis
causality
dilemma
chicken
egg
infinite regress
Plutarch
The Symposiacs
first cause
Aristotle
Macrobius
Bible
Carlo Dati
evolutionary biology
evolve
Anaximander
amniote
red junglefowl
proto
zygote
protein
calcium carbonate
Bootstrapping (compilers)
Catch-22
Sorites paradox
"Essays and Miscellanies, by Plutarch"
Project Gutenberg

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