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Edgar Williams

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attack. As it was, the delay in the date of the attack from May to June allowed the Germans to increase the forces in the area during that time. By 5 June, Williams had assembled a remarkably accurate picture of the German forces. This was too late to be of use on 6 June, but it would be very useful to Montgomery on subsequent days.
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I do not want to be preaching a doctrine contrary to yours, for I feel there is real value in an agreed text. If we are to be wrong, let's all be wrong together. At least then our commanders would not have had muddled counsel. You will remember the loss of confidence in the Middle East caused by the
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The trouble was that while we were helped enormously by Ultra—because Ultra expressed Rommel's intentions to the all-highest—we were sometimes hindered by Ultra, because Rommel was too good a soldier to carry the intentions out... I think we probably asked Monty to lay on too many preparations—which
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and the DAK did not act as expected, and professionally, when the DMI was fired for failing to forecast this. Williams's academic training came to the fore; as an historian, he was accustomed to integrating different sources of information to build up a larger picture. Information coming from Ultra
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became Director of Military Intelligence (DMI) in February 1942. The appointment of de Guingand, an officer with no experience in intelligence, said much about the state of intelligence in the British Army at the time, where it was assumed that staff college training and a good brain were all that
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In the end, Williams performed very well. His estimates were better than those of any other analyst. He slightly underestimated German capabilities, but correctly predicted the strength of German infantry and armoured divisions. This was no small feat in February, four months before the actual
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I think that all that time during that campaign you have two elements about the withdrawal: the "hold to the last ditch" Hitler stuff, and Rommel's very astute generalship, so that you could bet your bottom dollar—although you couldn't bet your bottom dollar because that's exactly what you
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The source material was too good. If one had just done one's thinking and intelligence without the signals intelligence, one would have said: "Well, Rommel will get us as far as this—and then he'll be off. And we'll be left sort of dangling once again..."
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commanders, who were only given summaries with no indication of the source of the information. The quality of the information coming from Ultra was very high, but over-reliance on it could be very dangerous, both militarily, when
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do with Rommel—you could take a sly bet that if Rommel was telling Hitler that he was doing a holding to the last drop of blood, that he was in the process of doing a very calculated false front to us.
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Rommel of course had to suggest that he was going to hang on to the last moment because of Hitler; one therefore had to inform Monty that Rommel's intention—expressed intention—was to stay put here.
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in 1952, a position which he held until 1980. As secretary to the Rhodes Trustees from 1959, he was also concerned with the selection and subsequent well-being of nearly two hundred
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to serve on his staff. According to de Guingand: "Ewart and Williams were an ideal combination. They understood each other perfectly. Both had first-class brains, both were
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For Operation Overlord, Williams confronted the formidable task of providing estimates months in advance of a volatile situation. The G-2 (chief intelligence officer) at
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Williams remained with Montgomery as his intelligence officer for the rest of the war. When Montgomery departed the Eighth Army in December 1944 to assume command of the
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assumed command of the Eighth Army in August 1942, he was impressed with Williams and identified him as the man he wanted to head his intelligence section. For the
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in 1945, but he never completed his work on the 18th century British cabinet. In 1946, he married Gillian, younger daughter of Major-General
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Williams later explained the difficulty of dealing with intelligence during the German and Italian withdrawal after the battle:
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was in any case his natural inclination—because we could see Rommel was told to stay put: "Here it is in Ultra".
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Williams died at Oxford on 26 June 1995. His papers relating to his service with the United Nations are in the
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internecine but public disputes between the "I" people which helped nobody, least of all the disputants.
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Williams remained at Merton as a Harmsworth senior scholar, then became an assistant lecturer at the
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at Oxford University; those relating to his correspondence with Montgomery are in the
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Ferris, John (2007). "Intelligence and Overlord: A Snapshot from 6 June 1944". In
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in 1936. He returned to Merton in 1937 as a junior research fellow, studying the
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was required. Aware of his lack of expertise, de Guingand selected Williams and
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The desert sun affected his already weak eyes, so he was sent to recuperate in
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The Men Behind Monty: The Staff and HQs of Eighth Army and 21st Army Group
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Secretariat in New York from 1946 to 1947. In 1959 he was a member of the
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after his father was posted there in 1928. He secured a postmastership at
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that granted Britain sovereignty over New Zealand, and the land was not
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he was commanding was the first British unit to encounter the German
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of C Squadron, 1st King's Dragoon Guards when it was ambushed near
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The Memoirs of Field-Marshal the Viscount Montgomery of Alamein
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While working at GHQ, Williams had been indoctrinated into the
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in modern history in 1934, Williams was commissioned as a
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was integrated with that from other sources such as the
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Master of the Battlefield: Monty's War Years 1942–1944
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secret. Knowledge of this was highly restricted; the
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as his intelligence officer for the rest of the war.
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and ground reconnaissance behind enemy lines by the
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and ground reconnaissance behind enemy lines by the
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Index

Edgar Warren Williams

Chatham, Kent
England
Oxford
United Kingdom
British Army
Brigadier
Service number
1st King's Dragoon Guards
Second World War
Companion of the Order of the Bath
Commander of the Order of the British Empire
Distinguished Service Order
Mentioned in dispatches
Philip Robertson
Rhodes House
Oxford
Brigadier
CB
CBE
DSO
DL
Army
military intelligence
Second Battle of El Alamein
Second World War
Ultra
Field Marshal
Bernard Montgomery

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