560:. According to that version, Quest and several other members of the White Stockings spent an off day at a horse race on the south side of Chicago. The players had received a tip that a horse named "Charley" was a "sure thing" in one of the races. All of the players, except Quest, placed bets on Charley. The horse took an early lead in the race but pulled up lame around the final turn. Quest, who had been teased for not betting on the horse, reportedly yelled to the other players, "Look at your Charley horse now." The next day, while running to second base, Chicago outfielder
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Charley over there in the lot." According to that account, team-mates began calling Quest "Charley horse" and used the term to refer to painful
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Dickson Baseball Dictionary also references an account, first published in 1934 attributing the phrase to an old white horse named Charlie and the Sioux City baseball club of 1889 or 1890, though again the phrase was in common usage before 1890, and published accounts had already cited Quest as
448:"Joe was a good, reliable, steady fellow, but a weak batsman. He was a conscientious player, however, and one that could always be depended upon to play the best ball that he was capable of. His strongest point was trapping an infield fly, and in this particular line he was something of a wonder."
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Census entry for Joseph L. Quest, age 68, born in
Pennsylvania. Source Citation: Year: 1920; Census Place: San Diego, San Diego, California; Roll: T625_131; Page: 5A; Enumeration District: 311; Image: 855. Ancestry.com. 1920 United States Federal Census
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pulled up with a strain, much as the horse had done. The incident is reported to have prompted Quest to proclaim, "There's your old
Charley horse." From that time, the players began using the term to refer to a sudden leg cramp or strain.
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Indianapolis Blues of the
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Quest remained in Chicago as the starting second baseman for the
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767:. Era Publishing Company. p.
635:"Joe Quest Statistics and History"
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1089:"How It Started: "Charley Horse""
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971:"Charley Horse Coined Phrase"
903:. March 16, 1895. p. 13.
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1048:Dave Wilton (May 31, 2006).
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1031:"Two Interesting Words"
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