334:. Fraser stated that as the earl received a grant for the lands of Spinningdale in 1467 which in 1464 had been granted to Celestine MacDonald, that it is not improbable that the earl had actually married a daughter of Celestine MacDonald. When the earl was summoned to Edinburgh in 1499, the record refers to a divorce between him and his wife who was named as "Fingole". Fraser stated that this Fingole has not been identified but that the wife of Celestine MacDonald had a similar name and therefore suggested a descent from that family. However, Fraser also states that later in 1509 to 1512 when the rents of the earldom of Sutherland were being administered by the Crown, a Catherine, Countess of Sutherland, is found drawing
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is said to have been pulled down as well as forcing her into a second marriage. However, Fraser states that the latter accusation has shown to be unfounded. According to Fraser, the earl's shortcomings were due to his mental weakness, which Gordon says nothing of. A "breive of idiotry" was issued by
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from the lands and that this is clear proof that she was the widow of John, Earl of
Sutherland, but it has not been ascertained who she was or if she was identical with Fingole. According to 19th-20th century historian Angus Mackay, the earl was, if not married to, at least
311:, were summoned to attend the inquest. Fraser stated that there is no record of the proceedings, but a proclamation of the brief was duly made, and the earl, having been declared incapable of managing his own affairs, was placed under the care of a
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Margaret, daughter or sister of Sir William Ballie of Lamington. His elder brother, Alexander, Master of Sutherland, had predeceased their father between 1444 and 1456, and John, therefore, succeeded as the 8th earl.
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Sutherland, 8th Earl of Sutherland died in 1508, but Fraser stated that the documents which would have confirmed this were no longer in the family charter chest.
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Sutherland, even though Gordon stated that he married firstly, a daughter of
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unusually made the formal revocation of the alienation of Crown property. John, Earl of
Sutherland received in 1467, a charter of the lands of "Spanziedale", now called
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knew of the original writ but did not give the full details and that it was no longer extant. However, as these lands had been granted to
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who decided against the earl. Two other cases of litigation were recorded concerning the earl in 1494. The first was at the instance of Sir
Gilbert Keith of
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