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Muir (2005) points out that a literal translation of "Karl Hundisson" is "peasant son-of-a-dog", an insult that may have been obvious to Norse-speakers hearing the saga and that "we can assume this wasn't his real name". The implication is that there is no purpose in seeking phonetic parallels with
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and died there. Woolf proposes that Karl Hundason, rather that being some hitherto unknown Scots king, was the son of Thorfinn's brother Hlodver Hundi. However, Thomson had already discussed this possibility in 2001, and urged caution as both
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he whole narrative is consistent with the idea that the struggle of Thorfinn and Karl is a continuation of that which had been waged since the ninth century by the Orkney earls, notably Sigurd Rognvald's son, Ljot, and
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which are preserved in the saga. A degree of scepticism has been expressed by many writers from Robertson onwards, some going to so far as to suggest that the whole episode is poetic invention. Most recently
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known Scots personages. Thomson points out that both "Karl" and Hundi" are names used in other contexts without disparaging intentions although the combination is otherwise unknown.
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as being unnecessarily complex. Instead Robertson proposed that Hundason should be identified with Duncan I. The most popular candidate to be Karl Hundason is
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Whoever Karl son of Hundi may have been, it is thought that the saga is reporting a local conflict, perhaps with a Scots ruler of Moray or
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says that a dispute between Thorfinn Sigurdsson and Karl Hundason began when Karl Hundason became "King of Scots" and claimed
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Taylor's comment about "Sigurd Rognvald's son, Ljot" is almost certainly a reference to Earl Ljot Thorfinnsson, the son of
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ended with Karl defeated and fugitive or dead. Thorfinn, the saga says, then marched south through Scotland as far as
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and there is no other individual with this name in the index of either Thomson (2001) or Crawford (1987).
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for more than a century. However a literal translation suggests that the name may simply be an insult.
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The identity of Karl Hundason, unknown to Scots and Irish sources, has long been a matter of dispute.
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states that the battle at Skitten Mire where Ljot Thorfinnsson was mortally wounded in battle with
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has suggested that the identity of Karl Hundason has been in plain sight all along. The
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suggest he only lived "a short while" and was unlikely to have had a son himself.
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of Moray, Sutherland, Ross, and Argyll, and that, in fine, Malcolm and Karl were
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took place between 943 and 945. He was the only 'Ljot' that was an
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However, the existence of Karl Hundason rests solely on the
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Leicester University Press, Leicester, 1987. 0-7185-1282-0
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attempted to reconcile the conflicting witnesses of the
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Taylor, A.B., "Karl Hundason: King of Scots" in the
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Orkneyinga Saga: The History of the Earls of Orkney
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Index

Orkneyinga Saga
Thorfinn Sigurdsson
Earl of Orkney
king of Scots
Scotland
Northern Isles
Caithness
Deerness
Orkney Mainland
Thurso
Thorkel the Fosterer
Tarbat Ness
Dornoch Firth
Fife
Ross
Sigurd the Stout
William Forbes Skene
Irish annals
sagas
Kenneth III of Scotland
Malcolm II
Duncan I
Robertson
King Macbeth
Njál's saga
Alex Woolf
Norway
Olaf Trygvasson
Thorfinn Torf-Einarsson
Canmore

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