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TR-1700-class submarine

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Numerical simulations for untested designs are not enough, and are only the first step in a series of validations that have to agree with actual experiments. Before offering a reactor as a proposal, any contractor—at their own expense—should perform experiments on moving platforms (water tanks
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excited to reproduce ship movements) located on land, and demonstrate that they work and agree with the numerical simulations. The reactor should be identical to the reactor proposed to be fitted in a ship or submarine.
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Steam generators located inside the reactor vessel (instead of outside) increase the diameter of the vessel and thus its weight, unnecessarily, restricting the operational characteristics of the submarine.
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The continuous movement of the large liquid free-surface inside the reactor, as experienced in vessels of any type (surface or submerged), leave fuel unexposed and, thus, not refrigerated.
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program. The proposed design had a reworked pressure hull, was six meters longer, and half a meter wider than the TR-1700s built for Argentina. It lost to the Type 471 from
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The TR-1700 submarine was designed by Thyssen and its features include high underwater speed, endurance (for a diesel submarine), and survivability. The boat's four
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Boat could be completed after feasibility studies. Unknown if sub was cannibalized for parts along with the rest of incomplete members of the class.
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Wrong type of control rod mechanisms, not adequate for a rolling and pitching vessel. For example, nut-shell control rods would be more appropriate.
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of 300 m (980 ft). Normal endurance of these boats is 30 days with an extended range up to 70 days. These boats are equipped to accept a
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The design has not considered the dynamic and operational characteristics of the porting platform. This causes problems in the following areas:
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Confirmed lost on 23 November 2017; wreck found in Atlantic Ocean on 16 November 2018. Recovery by American team pending naval decision.
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SINBADS Action Information Organisation and Fire Control System that is combined with a SAGEM plotting table. The radar consists of the
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short antisubmarine torpedo. The automatic torpedo reload system can reload sixteen times and reloading the tubes takes 50 seconds.
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Thermal problems due to the large diameter of the pellets (7.6mm), which do not allow sudden power ramps, required in a submarine.
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The first two submarines were delivered on schedule in 1984–85. The remaining four built in Argentina were suspended due to the
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Lack of land prototype on a moving platform (not static). See figure to the right for a Westinghouse prototype for submarines.
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La Armada Argentina asegura que, a pesar de la explosión, continuará buscando el submarino San Juan. "diariodenautica.com"
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The original 1977 plan called for six boats, two TR-1700s built in Germany by Thyssen Nordseewerke, two in Argentina by
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and space for 22 torpedoes. The TR-1700 can launch a variety of weapons via its torpedo tubes, such as the wire-guided
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in the 1980s, with two submarines completed. These ships are amongst the largest submarines built in Germany since
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between September 1999 and 2001. The work involved the replacement of the engines, batteries, and sonar. Her
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entered the Astillero Domecq Garcia shipyard to receive her refit in 2007; she completed refit in 2013.
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The TR-1700s to be built in Argentina were considered for an upgrade to a nuclear submarine. The use of
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for moving platforms and relies on the naĂŻve and dangerous concept of "one reactor fits all purposes".
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Construction suspended - 30% complete and eventually cannibalized for spare parts for active subs.
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12,000 nmi (22,000 km; 14,000 mi) at 8 kn (15 km/h; 9.2 mph) surfaced
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The reasons why INVAP's reactor is inviable stem from a number of reasons. The main reasons are:
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reactor for that purpose is an 'urban myth,' as such design is inadequate for moving platforms.
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Congreso Nacional: del submarino ARA Santa Fe, el cual se encuentra al 70% de su construcciĂłn
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The nuclear submarine project never came to fruition, despite later attempts to revive it.
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Por primera vez en la historia se construirán en nuestro país submarinos para la Armada
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Procuring Change: How Kockums was Selected for the Collins Class Submarine
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was only 30% complete. After attempts to complete and sell the boats to
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as the only remaining submarine of this class. As of 2020, the refit of
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Gardiner, Robert; Chumbley, Stephen; Budzbon, Przemysław, eds. (1995).
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Inconvenient coupling of various variables due to auto-pressurization.
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Diesel-electric submarine classes of German origin after World War II
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and are among the fastest diesel-electric submarines in the world.
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When it comes to the electronics and systems the TR-1700 has a
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has been reported cancelled leaving the entire class inactive.
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Ocean Infinity Locates the Missing Argentinian Submarine, ARA
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was conducting feasibility studies to decide if ARA
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Guia de los buques de la Armada Argentina 2005–2006
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Index

TR-1700 class submarine

Mar del Plata
Thyssen Nordseewerke
Argentine Navy
Submarine
MTU
Siemens
VARTA
Thomson-CSF
Atlas Elektronik
HSA
torpedo tubes
torpedoes
Mines
diesel-electric
submarines
Thyssen Nordseewerke
Argentine Navy
World War II
ARA San Juan
ARA Santa Cruz

adding to it
Astillero Domecq Garcia
INVAP
CAREM

MTU
Siemens

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