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http://web.archive.org/web/20110606090609/http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/StoryPage.aspx?id=c9901eb3-8b42-4bee-8dae-51c9996647d7&ParentID=d820b0ed-c03b-4489-8073-a52e242bbaaa&MatchID1=4678&TeamID1=6&TeamID2=3&MatchType1=1&SeriesID1=1179&PrimaryID=4678&Headline=CPI+condemns+MNS+anti-North+Indian+campaign

3033: 2972: 2076:. What MNS seems to be doing is promoting "Anti-North-Indian sentiments". Also, 2008 is nearing its end but MNS campaign does not seem to be dying soon. I am sure it will spill over in 2009 when Maharashtra legislative state elections are scheduled. I think both these words would have to replaced soon. -- 938:, only quotes that are longer than four lines or are more than one paragraph should be blocked off. All shorter quotes can just be in the text. This suggestion is mainly in reference to "Political analysis" and beyond. There are several short quotes blocked off that would be better as part of the text. 2973:

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I agree with you on changing the title. Saying attack on North Indians surely is an act of generalization. When article itself says attacks were launched after clashes between two opposing parties and affected people were from Uttar pradesh and Bihar, then there is no point in retaining the title as

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It doesn't matter what Raj says. His violence in this case was linked to people from UP and Bihar. The title needs to change to refelect the reality of what happened. We have an entry where the title does not reflect the entry. The violence in Maharashtra was not directed againt Bengalis, Kashmiris,

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The term North Indians does not just refer to UP, Bihar...This is about UP and Bihari migrants....this must be reflected in the title. "North Indians" could mean anyone from Kashmir, Punjab, MP, and even West Bengal. Lets not stick with it...and move the name to what "2008 Violence againt Bihari and

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It is a terrible incident. What the article does not mention is if there was any other personal motive other than that he was a from UP. If the only only reason was he was from UP, well, I dont know what to say. It is horrendouns. That aside, I guess this article also becomes innudated with too many

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A group of unidentified men beat to death a 25-year-old migrant labourer from Uttar Pradesh in Mumbai on October 28 2008. Dharam Dev, along with three other labourers from UP, were travelling to Kurla on a Mumbai local train from Khopoli to Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus when the group started beating

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This article reads extremely lopsided. It is an attack piece on MNS and Raj Thackeray from start to finish. The article reads less like an encyclopedia and more like a magazine... complete with cherry-picked and boxed quotes. Apart from the serious NPOV and {tone}} issues, the article is blind to

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The article says "In the night, 150 suspected MNS activists ransacked Pratap talkies in Thane, pulled out the print of the Bhojpuri film "Saiyan se Solah Singaar" and burnt it". Most US/other? readers only know 'talkies' to mean the motion pictures that started to have sound in the 1920s, replacing

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Okay. I've done some copyediting, and it wasn't as much as I initially anticipated. I think the prose is good enough for GA, but if you are planning for FA...I would definitely get some more people to look over it (it wouldn't hurt, anyway). One last thing...I don't think the timeline is altogether

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For the reasons you mentioned above and for there are no similar incidents to disambiguate, the year in the title is seemingly pointless. Besides, i reiterate that Notashamed has a point about having an unambiguos title. His suggestion sounds factual, non-POV and non-controversial. We all know Raj

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Mentioning UP and Bihar in title is not good. For a reader outside India, it projects UP & Bihar Versus Maharashtra in manner symbolizing some kind of state/civil war is brewing up. Read the articles failed FAC to understand how difficult it was to explain even basic reason behind violence

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Not really, this surely is an act of generalization. Article itself says that attacks were launched after clashes between two opposing parties and affected people were people from Uttar pradesh and Bihar. People from other northern states like rajasthan and gujarat have been living in MH since

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b) There is nothing wrong or illegal in what MNS/RT are demanding - be it the demand for jobs for Maharashtrians or the demand for use of Marathi. The article keeps quoting soundbites from MNS' political opponents throughout including the one who filed the "false and malicious" suit and his

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necessary, especially with the article already exceeding the general size guidelines by quite a lot. That is up to you, though. Long story short: I'm passing the article as I believe it meets all the GA criteria, so my other suggestions are basically for if you want to pursue FA or A class.

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such. People from other northern states like rajasthan and gujarat have been living in MH since ancient times and by now are integral part of MH. They were never subjected to any sort of attacks this far. Then how in the world you can generalize it as attack on north indians.

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to look it over. It really helps to have as many outside eyes on an article as possible. You can't have a peer review and GAN simultaneously, but I think it is okay to request help from the LoC while a GAN is still open. You could also request assistance at

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either. Also, article contains mention of not just Raj but Shiv Sena which too uses same term. When two sects of Sikhs clashed in Mumbai, Bal Thackeray strongly made remarks saying "take your fight outside Maharashtra". As said by KHP2 -

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Uttar Pradeshi migrants in Maharastra". Adding Jharkand to your "north India" doesnt make it any better for the entry either...Jharkand is the former south Bihar. "Bhaiyas" is just a racist term for the people of those states.

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belongs to a different group, i.e. Lokmat group. Also, Sudheendra Kulkarni usually writes in Loksatta. Please verify and make changes if needed. This article is a good article; it should not be left with such error.

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North Indian is a large area. whilst this entry is only baout UP and Bihar. The title needs to reflect this recommed it changes to 2008 Attacks on Uttar Pradesh and Bihari migrants in Maharashtra or somthing like that

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I remember KHP2 mentioned once that the title was kept this way in accordance with how the incident was described in secondary sources. But, your idea to tweak the title to reflect reality makes sense to me.

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I disagree with all your arguments. No single editor can decide that the article is long or article has POV; or it is not neutral. It should be based on consensus since this is no ordinary article, but a

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were not at all effected by the violence, which the title of this article otherwise suggests. Moreover Bihar is not always considered a north Indian state. Many a time it is referred as an eastern state.

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Ok thats great, we have agreement that the title chould change. What shd it cvhange too? I suggest "2008 Attacks on Bihari and Uttar Pradeshi Migrants in Maharashtra"? Any takers for this change?

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ancient times and by now are integral part of MH as such. They were never subjected to any sort of attacks this far. Then how in the world can you generalize it as attack on north indians. --

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them up after a brawl. Following the incident, Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister Mayawati has written to the Prime Minister, seeking the Centre’s immediate intervention and a probe into the case.

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That's just the superficial stuff for now. I'll get into the text more once these are completed. The editors of this article will be given seven days to make this first set of changes.

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a Sonia Gandhi or Lalu's comment to them does not make for NPOV! The very fact that you're quoting MNS and RT's sworn political opponents is POV. Also, while the article is

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mentioned in this article to readers from outside India. I would strongly oppose such objective titles citing NPOV and OR policies. Raj himself addresses his tirades against

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I dont mind either title. Both titles are not incorrect. I dont understand how this fits to your definition "Do not sensationalize the title - this is not a movie title".

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Somehow, the majority of these sentences need to be restructured to avoid the possible exhaustion of the prepositional, adjective, and adverb phrases inherent here. --

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Punjabis, people of MP....it was specific to two states in the Indian Union. Those states are; Uttar Pradesh and Bihar. Anything else is seriously midleading

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has no romance left for other North Indians (not just UP and Bihar) and much less for South Indians, but, that doesnt seem to be the theme of this article.

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It seems to me that prepositional phrases appear too often in this article, especially in this sentence (in which I have colored the individual phrases):

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Is there a way to restructure this sentence to avoid the repetition of "ideology"? Also, would it be wiser to replace "given up on" with "abandoned"? --

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While political leaders struggle for some solution to solve the hate crime problem - few scientist can be much more helpful to solve this crisis.

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Why wait? I mean, no one hwrw waits when discussing changes made to Bihar Racism. What's the point in waiting and showing courtsey here? Manoj?

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even in the 1970s. I guess it must have been coined in the 1930s to differentiate this kind of theater from those showing the silent movies.--

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Prose seems to be the only problem left. It isn't quite up to GA standards yet. One option is to try a peer review or get someone from the

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named Hussam Taysir Duwait (Also referred to as Hussam Duwiyat, Hossam Dawyyat, or erroneously as Jabr Duwait), attacked several cars on

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People should be referred to by their last names in the text. Raj Thackeray, for example, is referred to as Raj throughout the article.

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Under the February section, almost every paragraph begins with "On (date)". Try and mix it up a bit for a more interesting read.

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on Knowledge. Please refrain from adding tags. Discuss first why?I'll answer more later. But for now, no tags should be added

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Well, It looks like "violence" is more appropriate to describe than "attacks". Attack word has been used for articles like

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Added "abandoned"...in the meanwhile I'll try m best to restructure the sentence to get rid of the redundant "ideology". --

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North Indians is a collective term used by the media to refer to "Bhaiyas" (UP, Bihar and Jharkhand). Lets stick to it. --

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I am happy you do and have a smile on your face. Let us see what the main author has to say before we move further.

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Yes, a sad incident...BUT the reason I posted this here is ... I don't know where to put this in the article...the

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it projects UP & Bihar Versus Maharashtra in manner symbolizing some kind of state/civil war is brewing up

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is about one incident in the 2008 attacks. It is proposed that it be merged in this article.

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is the word used to describe all non-Maharashtrians. I would suggest leaving it as it is. --

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Raj Thackeray has been referred to as Raj as the article repeatedly mentions 3 Thackerays—

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Hello. I will be doing the GA review for this article. Here are some initial suggestions:

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Moreover, Raj Thackeray himself refer to them as agitation against aggression by

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The same issue in March–May, almost every sentence begins with "On (date)".

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2008 Violence against Bihari and Uttar Pradeshi migrants in Maharashtra

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such details. Maybe an one liner would do. 12:59, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

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