Talk:2017 Notre-Dame de Paris attack

2084:* may be notified. The person who notified me has absolsutely no idea how I would have voted. He or she was rebutting the statement you made, that your opposition's arguments on a related subject were not based on policy. Let's look at another salient section of that guideline which requires that notifications to other participants be 1)Limited 2)neutral 3)non partisan 4)open. According to said guidelines the editor's notification was limited, I wasn't asked to vote in a particular direction, I'm a Wikipedian which means I'm inherently non-partisan and the notification was made in a public forum. Think it might be time to drop that particular stick. To reiterate regarding your proposal. By proposing to merge to a list, You are proposing to fill a list of notable events with entries which you don't think are notable enough to have their own article. Would you like another trout? Or do you think you might like to review your proposal? FYI my approach to your proposal would be quite different and less trouty, were you suggesting to tag for deletion based on your stated reasons, which are centered around 2386:- Meets WP:GNG. Besides, it is quite a "unique" case, as the article itself clarifies, of a dude from a privileged background (with a PhD!), winner of European Union awards for his exquisitely progressive journalism, "all of the sudden" claiming allegiance to the Islamic State and attacking police in a terror attack for "no reason at all"? Who knew? Wasn't it supposed to be "oppression" or something that triggered these guys? (Well, maybe he was oppressed by the Swedes in Stockholm or by the Parisians in the Champs Elyseès, what do I know?) In any event, that by itself makes the case quite, quite unique, as this is a specimen "never before seen", and therefore properly an encyclopaedic entry. 2115:. From Gregory: "it produced a very long discussion but was supported only one other editor. I suggest pinging the editors who participated there". What does this mean; Gregory knew beforehand a group of editors (a majority at least) held a viewpoint on a similar (but, again, unrelated) incident and wanted to ping the group based on their views from the older RfC. But sure I will drop the stick and will happily invite you to future RfCs now because you formally asked to be informed. By the way, the list has several entries without an article and I am only discussing 500: 60: 369: 293: 266: 549: 528: 2329:. They don't repeat each other. They are similar, but, distinctly different. More ROUTINE than repetitive. Other than that, you've presented a relatively solid argument. I'll refrain from voting one way or the other, but, I might try to do a detailed analysis both for and against the proposal. Let everyone work it out for themselves. There's also a comment on your talk to read. 303: 150: 434: 424: 32: 397: 202: 181: 2275:, as this is your proposal and I have questions/comments pertaining specifically to your proposal, I'm going to ping you to this comment as well. Side-note; I read your comment to me somewhere above, no I'm not interested in having the stick, I haven't read every single comment written on this page so am not aware of any stick dropping or picking. 1719:, I was only dropping by to say that I've participated in a few terror related AfDs and RfCs, but, that participation comes when things end up at AN/I or AN. I don't patrol (RfC or AfD) nor generally participate in this topic area. Why have you pinged 20 or so editors up above? If from the AfD, for that matter, you missed; 2624:. This is an abuse of process. Moving the well sourced material in this article to a list article will result in an unvavigatable list. Reducing the content to two lines is the same as deletion. This event passes standalone notability, and IDONTLIKE merge and delet noms have gone too far in this topic area. 2141:

glad you agree concerning the stick. Rather than take my word for it, would you like to explain what you think the differences are between merging to an article and merging to a standalone list? Are you saying that the problems with that list article (I.e. The non-notable entries) support your adding

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GracefulSlick's assertion. In fact, the interesting thing about that RfC is that among the handful of editors who showed up (in addition to Nom) were some who regularly work in this area (representing both sides of the discussion,) but also two experienced editors whose names I do not recognize from

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This is an upside down approach to organizing information. The existence of articles about notable events (any events - terrorist or otherwise) justifies the creation of an auxiliary article which lists related articles on events. If there are notable events on the list that don't have articles then

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Posting messages to users selected based on their known opinions (which may be made known by a userbox, user category, or prior statement). Vote-banking involves recruiting editors perceived as having a common viewpoint for a group, similar to a political party, in the expectation that notifying the

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Appears to be another disruptive attempt to purge Knowledge of detailed coverage of terrorist attacks. ISIS is a lasting global problem, at the moment probably the largest single source of politically motivated killing so NO ISIS attack is not notable, and no such attack merits deleting an article

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a policy. The policy-based reasons are provided with...well policy-based arguements. If you disagree with policy, perhaps you should try changing it. However, until then, you must follow it and this comment does not show any motivation to do so unfortunately. And I never said anything about "wealth

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since you've pinged myself and Edaham, you might consider pinging everyone else as well (Knowledgekid87 and Xavierltzm have already been pinged due AfD) in the interest of countering any !votestack suggestion because both myself and Edaham did vote against the proposed merge. Those editors would be

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entries should be either 1) all notable enough to have their own entry, 2) all not notable enough or 3) complete but not numerous. Your proposal is essentially deleting existing content while weakening the current list article. The kind of list to which propose merging is clearly a list of notable

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by eliminating a great deal of significant detail especially, as GracefulSlick herself admits, the wealth of detail about the unusual profile of perp; and 3.) because effectively, this is amounts to the deletion-by other means of an attack that has had massive and ongoing international coverage.

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I understood from the recent AfD discussion that the 'attacker' is due to face a trial, in which case, why is he throughout referred to as the 'perpetrator', since it is obvious that even the sources use the term 'suspect'. Anybody here heard of BLP? Do editors here know something that RS don't?

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the merge (I also only got the second ping, if anyone's still keeping score there). Per my comments elsewhere, it makes sense to look at these things again in the "cold light" of a few months later, and at least for now there's no lasting notability. Such information about the accused as can be

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it's inclusion on the list. That the event you want merged is not notable, is pure fortified compost, which is doubtless the reason why the proposal was not an outright deletion. I do agree that the article could be written in a less editorial tone, using recent history articles as a template.

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isn't some Harry Potter style incantation you can use to purge articles. That Knowledge can cover such a body of events is what sets it apart from lesser encyclopedias of information. This particular article on an event seems to be useful in contributing to the understanding of the nature and

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that in addition to the ongoing and WP:INDEPTH international coverage given to the unusual PhD-candidate terrorist; significant and worldwide international coverage has been given to the unusual lockdown of 900 toruists inside one of the world's most famous cathedrals. gNews search here

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and the heading 'Impact', both suggest a direct causal relationship. Maybe Macron did 'bring forward' an announcement by a day or two, but it certainly isn't in the Reuters, so is even less likely to be generally supported by less 'explicit' sources and isn't a fact in WP voice.

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did the nom ping a bunch of people and then tell some other editor not to ping another bunch of people? And why the focus on deleting articles on terrorism in France? It's hard to look at these nominations on a case by case basis in light of the apparent narrow interest. Also,

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I would have an issue with the entries without an article if it was a list for terror incidents in Europe overall: the size of the article would be impossible for readers to navigate. However, in hopes of making a compromise, I can instead merge and redirect the article to

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if you feel ambitious. The background is described in the list; the information about the suspect is largely unencyclopedic and fails to adhere to BLP. Perhaps a sentence more can be included in the list and the redirect leaves us with an opportunity to revisit this

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No mention of any 'confession' in the article, but even of there were, civilised countries have judicial proceedings for good reasons. Editors who ignore that are simply saying "I don't care, I'm persuaded that he is guilty and thus am entitled to state it as fact".

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appropriately sourced for BLP reasons can be included in the merged article. As TheGracefulSlick rightly points out, if the facts on the ground change later on, there'll be the page history to enable an appropriately speedy re-creation of this article when needed.

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in articles, so I have doubts that this is accurate. Period. -- for dramatic effect. Though if you could point me to it I'd appreciate it! -- exclamation mark, for even more dramatic effect. (I'm being light-hearted here, in case it appears otherwise)

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Checking the sources would be a matter for 10 minutes -max. This article is not long at all. Changing the word to attacker in the whole article would take about 30 seconds. Yet vigorously defending neutrality here is no effort at all it seems.

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arguments. Today, in Paris, a man with a knife attempted to attack a soldier , failed, and was arrested. Today's attack is precisely the sort of attempt that should go on a list. But the article about today's attack continues,

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does anything. Especially given that Mark Miller came there via Wikiproject/Merge, I came there via AN/I, Icewhiz and Edaham, I don't know how they came across it, but, Knowledgekid87, you and Greg, all came from

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to be completed. So, right argument, but, improperly synced to the proposal to suggest that a lack of anaylsis makes these unreliable when it's actually a lack of fact-checking and accuracy that does (or would).

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Whatever the reason: the fact that it was Notre Dame; the lockdown of hundreds of tourists; the PhD. The reality is that coverage has been ongoing, and the notability of this attack is validated by the ongoing

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regardless of how they voted. Gregory wanted to ping (he partially did but only those who opposed) completely uninvolved editors from an unrelated RfC because he was aware of how they would likely vote. That is

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I agree, especially when they create articles that completely ignore BLP and NPOV and expect other's to clean up their private opinion piece blogs. I would never do a 'replace all' without checking the sources.

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So, enough interest in editing to add an NPOV sticker and to participate multiple times in the discussion, but not enough to do a "replace all"? Some people really test the boundaries of "assume good faith."

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What does an entirely separate RfC have to do with this one? No, no one should ping them. You only suggested it because they push a certain POV and habitually oppose all these proposals without considering

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There is no consensus whether to keep as a stand-alone article or redirect/merge it to a list of such attacks but that's not something that has to be decided at AfD but can always be proposed on the talk

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and would be an unprecedented move. If it was ok to compress 20,000 bytes into a one-sentence entry — nothing short of an article deletion — it should have been supported by the AfD which was closed as

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Do you realize when you link a username that the editor receives a ping? I opposed pinging uninvolved editors you knew had voted a certain way in a similar (but not related) RfC, yet you did so anyway.

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As usual, the media released WP:ROUTINE reports with a repetitive narrative and no analysis. According to WP:RSBREAKING such sources are designated without argument as WP:PRIMARY and highly unreliable

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as there were many participants and I admit I should have double-checked. No more editors should be pinged from a completely seperate RfC. Everyone I pinged was involved as a result of the AfD.

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You like thumping the PAG, I know - so let's take a quick look at that guideline on canvassing, which I happen to have familiarized myself on a previous occasion: It specifically states that;

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an Algerian student assaulted police officers outside Notre Dame cathedral. Newly elected President Emmanuel Macron, portrayed by rivals as weak on security during the presidential campaign,

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Could you explain what excactly is not NPOV here? It really does not get clear to me what the issue is; or who you believe the perpetrator was other than the guy shot by police.--

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prevalence of a group of attacks by an organization called ISIS. Relegating articles like this to un-linked snippets in lists is going to weaken the usefulness of the project.

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proposing to "merge" an over 20,000 byte article into a list consisting of one-sentence entries doesn't make any sense. As far as I can see such a merge isn't supported by

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where the criteria is less strict, and the number of entries on that page, obviously, will not be increasing extraordinarily. Would that be a more suitable location?

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The French landmark was put on lockdown with 900 people barricaded inside it as shots rang out when Farid Ikken screamed "this is for Syria" before lunging at cops.

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Since Gregory successfully canvassed three editors from an unrelated RfC who all opposed (votestacking) I may as well ping the final editor from that discussion:

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historical significance. There were no casualties or political repercussions. Drmies revealed the terror response team was not created in response to this attack.

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Then you can change the term perpetrator to attacker throughout the article to use the correct term so far, and take out the neutrality template from the top.--

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The guy spoke of Syria, in French. If that's all we know, we can't tag this yet, unless the hammer was recently discovered to be an ISIS instrument of choice.

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Much of the article, such as details of the suspect and his radicalisation, is interesting background information that would not survive being merged. As

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France created a new counter-terrorism task force on Wednesday, bringing together all the intelligence services, to coordinate the response to attacks,

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ARguably, this is due not only to the unusual (PhD-candidate-award-winning-human-rights-journalist-turns-terrorist,) but because the target was the

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The investigation is still on-going, so it's premature to classify the event as "Part of ..." and ascribe a motive. Preserving here by providing

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Where is it written that an event "must" have a lasting effect? You are misciting a guideline about things that indicate probable notability.

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Legally, yes he is not sentenced yet. Factually he did the attack, or do you have different sources? i really do not see your problem here. --

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Yes. He was apprehended in the act, admitted committing the crime, and stated his ideological motivation for assaulting a police officer.

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Nothing about the Reuters suggests that it was anything other than chance that the announcement happened the following day yet your text

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you concur with the argument that there is sufficient evidence for you to decide to describe a living accused person as a 'perpetrator'

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events. In this sense you've also made a weak case for either deleting or writing articles for the unlinked entries in that list.

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If a single small change were involved, I would, but one gets tired of fixing articles which the creator cannot be bothered with.

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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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have an article hence why selectively merging is the best option. Please re-read my rationale for more explanation.

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Plus, the terrorist himself claimed to be a soldier of the caliphate while laying after being shot by police !!!!

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to you now; I hope not. You said it yourself, I pinged several editors and, unfortunately, I missed one. Please

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nor does mere repetition necessarily show the kind of effort that is good evidence of a significant matter

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In June, an ISIS-inspired PhD student lunged at cops with a hammer outside Paris' Notre Dame cathedral.

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is the one I am referring to. So I am bemused by the assertion that I, or anyone else at the proposal,

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Incident is too small for an article on itself and probably will not be mentioned often in the future.

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Editors who have participated in previous discussions on the same topic (or closely related topics)

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on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join

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in order to have all 20-30 discussions in one place. Please go there to participate. Thanks! ···

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Oddly, I did not receive this "ping". (I was on the Notre Dame attack page for other reasons)

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An editor above (Cwmhiraeth) has no problem understanding this, it is a fundamental principle.

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It comes as those protecting city landmarks have increasingly become targets for lone jihadis.

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That, and the video found in his home/rental apartment in which he pledged allegiance to ISIS.

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It is better to wait a day or two after an event before adding details to the encyclopedia

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The incident doesnt have a lasting effect. (I got the ping of "trying again" comment.) —

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of detail" on the suspect; I said the bio section violates BLP and is unencyclopedic.

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Removing tag as per arguments by XavierItzm and Joobo, arguments with which I concur.

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is whether the sourcing supports a stand-alone article. In this case, it does.

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S, leaving no policy-based reason for merging; 2.) Merging runs up against

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the editors I pinged participated at the AfD and it was neutral: I pinged

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Icewhiz (against) and Mark Miller (for). Everyone else, is already here.

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C3; I picked two articles published on the day of the attack at random (

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and highly unreliable. The burst of news coverage also fails to satisfy

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The event has received significant coverage in reputable media, per

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WOrding revised, sourcing enhanced to meet Pincrete's objecitons.

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Living persons suspected of a crime must be anonymous -- period

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but also encourage other ideas as well from editors in support.

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which goes into more detail than a brief mention in a list.

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create them, or remove them from the list if they fail

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examine the evidence and decide who is/is not guilty.

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There were no casualties or political repercussions

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