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Madhesi community, who are unhappy with the country’s new constitution. " - repeats the theme that most of the blocked checkpoints are due to Indian border police, NOT Madhesi protesters. "... despite glaring evidence to the contrary,
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Tuesday onward. We have completely stopped supplying petrol to Nepali vehicles because we have been ordered not to, said a petrol supplier at the Indian border." - describes the actions taken by the SSB to prohibit the movement of fuel into
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So, I request whole world to take this issue seriously and help raise this issue internationally. Please talk on facebook, twitter, youtube , blogs , etc. everywhere and help solve this issue as soon as possible.
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