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Even if the article's readability was not harmed, the 'Goalscorers' section itself would suffer. Every confederal qualification had hundreds of goals scored by hundreds of players, therefore a full list would be terribly and unnecessarily long. I felt annoyed everytime I watched it (I watched and
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