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Because they are just that, allegations. We shouldn't be giving this much weight to information that pertains to one side of the dichotomy while we don't give much weight at all to the rejection of allegations and demand of proof from the side of Brij Bhushan. I say we remove the individual wrestler
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I wanted to update my reply to this, "Ohh, now I see you were talking about the Allegations section. Sorry for the miss. I think it will be best to summarize the allegations and keep the individual wrestler statements as you have mentioned and write that the accused has repeatedly denied them.
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I'm sorry, but I'm not sure why I was pinged to this discussion. Your best bet, in the future, is to start a talk page discussion and ping the editor to that discussion (as you've done) to ask for their explanation and begin a discussion. This is a content dispute and I don't have a particular
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The Domestic reactions section has been cleaned up but it cannot stay like this for ever. This is not an exhaustive list of who supported this protest and who didnot. I propose merging all the support into a general statement with 2-3 examples, not the current state.
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Though I have been pinged, I do not see immediate need for me to comment above. But most Wikipedian editors are unaware about WP:policies regarding legal aspects hence like at other discussion pages I would like to note WP has couple of existing policies like
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We already established Brij Bhushan is being accused. Thru out the article, there's a repeated tone of referring him as "the accused" and is rather bizarre. We refer to people by their names or their pronouns but not with other labels. This as a serious
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The coverage by the international media should be discussed by reliable secondary sources - which is not happening now. Adding citations to news reports and stating that they had coverage is an original research - which is why I removed it. —
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Ohh, now I see you were talking about the Allegations section. Sorry for the miss. I think it will be best to summarize the allegations and write that the accused has repeatedly denied them. I think it is fine if you go for it
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Mentioning that they told the PM about the allegations is important I think as "government trying to save the accused" is an important theme. I think it is fine if you go for it and edit as you proposed @
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for getting professional help, groping, touching breasts and navel without consent, instances of stalking and intimidation, which has led to a "shared sense of fear and trauma" among the women wrestlers.
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The article only presents the viewpoints of the wrestlers while it has miserably failed to present the considerations of the accused. Even after the accused has done multiple press conferences.
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2) Why add the part "Bhushan has rejected all allegations in front of a government appointed committee".. in the lead section? It can very much go in the article but not in the lead.
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Looks good. You did not add the accused denied the claims. I think we can remove the "Statement of the accused" section and add all that to the "Background" section you created.
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1) Why have you removed the part "The protestors are demanding the arrest of Bhushan for a custodial investigation into the allegations..." ; it is very much well sourced.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=2023_Indian_wrestlers%27_protest&oldid=1158208414#:~:text=137%5D%5B138%5D-,International%20Coverage,-The%20allegations%20and
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Feels less relevant to the article, I can't really say 🤷, as people usually face such issues (heat/mosquitoes) either way ... especially in the Indian sub-continent.
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https://indianexpress.com/article/india/2-india-wrestlers-1-top-referee-1-state-coach-4-witnesses-who-corroborate-8643190/?utm_source=EchoBox&utm_medium=Referral
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threatened to hand back their medals, accusing the authorities of ignoring their allegations of sexual harassment against the sport’s top official ~ Guardian
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to report both sides when the sources dont take a side in their own voice. Here, where everything is an allegation over the other, its our job to put both.
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Regarding "The protests have received widespread support from across the country from all walks of life..." aren't there enough sources to prove the same?
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It is consistent practice among protest articles to mention the motivation of the protest in the lead sentence as the following articles demonstrate<
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saying look at the talk page, but there is no discussion about it in the talk age. The changes you have reverted were made by @Rhododendrites in this
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That is okay. I have made an edit. You can look at it and expand it as seen necessary. My main contention was the pointwise addition of allegations.
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After(/if) it grows unwieldy, it can be spun off into its own "Reactions to 2023 Indian Wrestler's Protest page", with shorter version left here.
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clarifies the confusion. Summer Olympics 2020 happened in 2021 in Tokyo. So the event mentioned in wrestler protests happened in Tokyo in 2021.
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against BJP MP Brij Bhushan Sharan Singh by female wrestlers during his tenure as the president of the Wrestling Federation of India (WFI).
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first as a statement with publication houses, then, 2nd time with sources directly linking to articles on those publication houses
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and no secondary source mentions that at all. All we can add is support from Farm unions, politicians and veteran sportspersons.
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I dont think this is relevant at all. All protests face this issue. Protests aren't really supposed to be a walk in the park.
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Response by the accused has been added in the article. Rajput Mahasabhas supporting the accused is added in the article too.
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Which section are you talking about? And I think you can add about the rejection of allegations at appropriate places.
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that I am pointing to or should I assume you have conceded? If the latter, then please stop restoring it, as you did
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There is a media coverage section about the Indian Wrestler's protest, The international coverage was added twice,
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I think we should write the accused denied the allegations in the first paragraph itself of the lead section.
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The .. protests .. and demanded accession and an end to killings and the 2019-2021 Jammu and Kashmir lockdown.
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No requirement for a separate page unless this page goes over 100kb. This section just needs to be trimmed.
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Indian wrestlers began protesting for the custodial investigation into the allegations of sexual harassment
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The protesting wrestlers...have demanded the resignation and arrest of ..., Brij Bhushan Sharan Singh ~ NYT
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Indian wrestlers began protesting for the custodial investigation into the allegations of sexual harassment
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Indian wrestlers are protesting ... demanding the arrest of the chief ... for alleged sexual abuse ~ BBC
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issues and you are adding YouTube videos as citations which are not needed. Kindly revert your edits.
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The NPOV situation of this page is an ongoing work. It has improved. Will look into this as well.
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of harrasment and just keep the first paragraph of the section and rename it as "Background". @
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Saw in the above "Reaction" section that usernames were being called out randomly for comment,
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Sorry to include you in the discussion, was looking for a neutral set of (experienced) eyes.
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The accused Singh on 18 May 2023, stated that the wrestlers' Olympic medals were worth INR
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We must add the motivation of the protest followed by the complaints. These are protests
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The .. protest was a protest against three farm acts that were passed by the Parliament.
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exist to draw attention and ensure that more editors mediate or comment on the dispute.
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to add the content. I'll be removing the OR. Any further reverts would be seen as
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Sorry, I was referring to the bottom part of that edit, the "widespread support"
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newly added and existing articles, maybe nominate some good B-class articles for
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You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. —
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The female wrestler complainants accuse Bhushan of demanding "sexual favours"
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when adding content and consider tagging or removing unsourced information.
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This is sufficient, leaving the now-removed statement would be repetitive.
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Sorry to include you out of nowhere in this talk page, need your opinion.
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needs some updates regarding the same I had initiated a discussion @
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issues. You also reverted my restructuring of the lead. I had added
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I shifted the statements of the accused in the Background section.
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section is incorrect and unsourced. Reliable data is required.
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might be biased for whatever reason the section is being deleted.
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is available as an option if you two cannot settle the dispute.
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I removed it because I added it to the lead sentence itself.
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interest in getting involved, nor should I since I've been
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I added that part because it is fundamental to maintain
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