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Stadium. I doubt that a lot of other readers would. I have no idea how a redirect of ours, a commercial name,
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Stadium is in Perth. There are many stadium names that don't mention the city they are in. Docklands Stadium is not in a city
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Except in the last quarter where there were a ton of goals and it was very one-sided, you might as well mention every goal. Not all of them have to have a lot of detail or they could be mentioned "as a set of several", but a few things seem skipped
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Throughout the 2021 finals series, Melbourne had more than doubled their opponents' scores: 53.30 (358) vs. 25.18 (168) <<<=== I think it's better to say they more than doubled their opponents' scores in each match. That's a stronger
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1065:"The Bulldogs continued to score quickly, Jason Johannisen took an impressive mark next to the goal posts resulting in a goal and extending their lead to 19 points." <<<=== Split this into two sentences.
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