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subject as "single source" (BTW, no other significant CO articles exist). It is definitely multi-(independent) source! It seems that the fact that no other significant articles on CO exist is probably due to the fact that these references quite completely cover the subject. Also, not much published research now on concurrency control (CC) in general. CC is considered by many as "well understood..." Are you an expert in CC to classify this as "insignificant?" For sure not! Look in CiteSeer for the subject, and you'll find. Maybe you complain to them you cannot find by author... Sufficient respected references for CO and Mr Raz exist on the web. Have you done homework?
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large databases that are accessed simultaneously by multiple users to avoid transaction conflicts and loss of data" or something like that, and giving one or two examples like recording sales transactions at large department stores with many registers, or airline reservation and ticketing systems, or something like that. (Assuming I've even understood the principle correctly)Â :)
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amendable in that it is hard for a reader to estimate the value of the theory as the article appears like a "singularity" among others of its field. In fact, the addition of other sources (for example publications of third party research testing the theory) would only benefit to the topic. A positive
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Let me make a random comment here, as an arbitrary but technical user. I *still* don't understand the article. The very first thing it should do is define what commitment ordering is, before launching into why it was an open problem or how wonderful it is as an algorithm / protocol. I understand
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I think we should just delete this article. As far as I am aware, commitment ordering is not significant. It is not mentioned in any textbooks, and is not mentioned in anything that I have seen. This article is also too difficult for a new reader to understand, and thus does not serve the purposes
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I can agree with you only on one thing: That you have completely misunderstood the article, as well as its references, if you have looked them up. This article is the simplest (without Math notation), that I managed to come with, and still be accurate. However, you are not alone: I found that many
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The protocol has a distributed part which relies on the local part. First the distributed is described: A certain voting condition is proven to be needed for global serializability. This is the main task. After you understand the condition, you just (trivially) apply it: You locally maintain the
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Thank you for your input. This is a technical-mathematical article. It is not an easy reading. An effort has been made to write it completely without mathematical notation and to reduce mathematical terminology without harming accuracy, while capturing the main results about the subject (in the
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has been removed. Though it describes a situation where no vote occurs, this is still a situation of missing votes and a deadlock. It is resolved by two competing mechanisms: 1. local cycle resolution described below, and 2. atomic commitment protocol timeout for
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ensures that conflicting operations are consistent with the relative order in which their transactions commit, which can enable interoperability of systems using different concurrency control mechanisms." (quotation from page
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This article is a mathematical. No Math formulas but very careful phrasing. Make sure content does not change meaning. Pls do not change text if meaning is unclear to you. In this case please discuss it here. Thanks.
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