Talk:Coney Island - Knowledge

2663:) of their settlement, the Dutch used the name Conyne Eylandt ("Rabbit Island")" based on reading a primary source map, and the supporting secondary source (Douglas) simply re-quotes what is on the maps, it does not make this claim. We can also not discount a PBS source just because we think we see something significant in a map. Historians analyze, evaluate, interpret, and synthesize material found in a primary sources, not us, for example (Douglas) points out the earliest date for the map is 1670, not 1639, and the attribution to Vingboons is dubious. Rm further iterations of maps, the 1656 Visscher map actually dates to 1685 and the added secondary source makes no claim as to its content. Other "map claims" rely on 2739:... based on what we have that is all we can say. I deleted further "map claims" because they were redundant (1670 seems to be the source map) and also strayed into what seemed to be a WP:OR claim: "well, we see "X" in map "Y" and map "Z" therefor we can draw obvious conclusion "M"". Its a good treatise for some historian but it we have to wait for that person to write it, we can not make or imply claims based on that. Please note: Douglas Hunter, Half Moon: Henry Hudson and the Voyage That Redrew the Map of the New World, page 278 notes the "Manatvs gelegen op de Noot Riuier" map is a 1670 copy and questions its attribution to Vickeboons. 3960: 992: 971: 3578:, the vast majority of this article is actually about the neighborhood between West 37th Street and Ocean Parkway. This seems to fit as all of the modern-day amusements are located in that region. Besides that, I count eight sections that talk mostly about the neighborhood of Coney Island: Amusement parks and attractions; Demographics; Police and crime; Fire safety; Health; Post offices and ZIP codes; Education; and Transportation. There are only two sections that I can definitively identify as being part of a peninsula article: Name and Geography. About 80% of the History article is about 2263:. If this task is really daunting, you could start small. Delete the trivia content in the article (don't forget, its still in the history buffer), build up a new section using references such as the book (and refering back to the deleted content). Then, when the section is in good shape, split it off into a new article. Or, work in pieces, cutting out subsections and working up from there. In any event, you'll really need to make this into prose. The current "list" format is useless and probably should be deleted.-- 2713:; in fact, I could do that for anything you've added to wikipedia. It'll get very annoying really soon. For example, to claim that interpreting a secondary source (Hunter) writing that (the Dutchman) Vinckeboons named the island "Conyne Eylandt" on his hand painted map of ca. 1639 to mean that the Dutch in 1639 used the name "Conyne Eylandt" is "original research" is just annoying (as well as absurd). There must be oodles of wiki guidelines that you can quote arguing against your own behavior. 879: 858: 489: 1060: 1566:(Steeplechase and Luna), seventy "ball" games, thirteen carrousels, eleven roller coasters , five tunnel rides, three fun houses, two waxworks, six penny arcades, twenty shooting galleries, three freak shows, a variety of other games, rides, shows, and souvenir shops, and some 200 eating establishments--more than 500 separate enterprises in violent and continual conflict--perhaps the greatest concentration of independent little businesses in the world." 734: 543: 522: 553: 1081: 1170: 654: 627: 203: 784: 766: 664: 480: 1468: 889: 1406: 4283: 308: 1364: 3735:(page 299). I do agree that we need more references. The map in the infobox is taken mostly from Google Maps and the Encyclopedia of New York City. But since NYC neighborhoods don't have firmly defined boundaries, that may be as good as we get. Macaulay Portfolios, while extensive, is not really that reliable since it's a work by college students and isn't thoroughly vetted. 1956:

money is behind him? What is the connection between the timing of NYC concessions on his behalf - and their percipitent withdrawal - and campaign contributions made on his behalf, perhaps through other companies, to campaigns of Giuliani, et al? I don'g doubt that investigations in this area have the potential to become an important issue in the upcoming presidential race..

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and should be treated as such. The meat of the details is about the neighborhood, which includes its roller coasters, amusement parks, etc. By contrast, Brighton/Manhattan Beach and Sea Gate didn't have any of these amusement destinations, as they were already developed as residential neighborhoods by the 20th century.

3460:, where there's a narrower definition of Harlem (covered in that article) and a greater definition (covered within other articles with a brief explanation in the Harlem article). Over the years, the definition of Coney Island has narrowed, as has that of Harlem. So feel free to split the peninsula article, but I think 2687:, which now also has no translation to "rabbits island". It's also less accurate. For instance Hunter, with whom you seem to be on a first-name basis, wrote "The hand-painted Vinckeboons map of 1639 shows Coney (Conyne) Island as ..." (page 165) and "Conyne Island appears in the hand-painted circa 1639 map 2682:

The text that you've left retains the essentials of what I tried to add, so I'll gladly stop trying to make a contribution to a topic that you're apparently very possessive about. The following is just so you can make some improvements yourself. The text is less clear than my text, as for example the

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Notwithstanding Tvoz's remark, corruption and political manouevring have been a signature part of Coney Island's and the surrounding area's development almost since the first small clam restaurants made their appearance; and this aspect is almost ignored in this otherwise exemplary article. (Examples

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were once joined by a channel, now filled in. Several former small islands in New York including Furman and Belmont Islands had garbage, earth and other filler material dumped into the waterway, and built over. Randalls Island and Wards Island still have separate names, but are no longer physically

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I'm supportive, but I think the list would need to be made into prose. Also, references would need to be added. Otherwise, the split off article would (or should) end up being deleted. In which case, you might as well just delete the content now. The content would still be in the history buffer,

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about development, not the tome that is now there. This is an encyclopedia article about Coney Island overall - its history, culture, tradition, etc - not an article about the current development plans or about Thor Equity. These sections make the article read like an annual report and it never used

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The text of the img said: "The New York Aquarium opened up in 1896. It currently occupies 14 acres by the sea in Coney Island, and boasts over 350 species of aquatic wildlife". The previous photo mismatches the text under a photo. The previous photo of exit to ocean has been constructed in 90-s. The

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HOwever, when I went to do it, the original aricle had much too much detail for this article, so I boiled it down to a few sentences - and I am not convinced that it belongs here. I set up a section called "Accidents", thinking if anyone wants to research and write up something about roller coaster

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So this article should really be about the smaller neighborhood (which is more synonymous with its history as an amusement location) than about the larger peninsula (which contains a much broader history and not associated as much with the amusement area). The peninsula is purely a geographic term,

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with the comment "what a bunch of speculation, but sort of entertaining", does not trump (rinsing my mouth now) logic, especially combined with a number of expert sources that speak against its unsupportable conclusion that an Irishman came up with the name in the 18th century. I beg to differ with

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It seems that it would be useful to put a lot of the information in the "Summer of 2007" in the "Development efforts and controversy" section. While a lot of the "Summer of 2007" information is very interesting, I don't think that the play-by-play from a single summer is appropriate here. Also, the

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The first paragraph of the lead is about geography and is neat and precise. The second is about the glorious past of the proprietary amusement parks, and how baseball is what's important about the present. This presentation is unbalanced since, as the body of the article says, there's plenty else

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The discussion of ongoing shenanigans related to Coney Island development makes fascinating reading and I for one would be sorry to see it removed. (On the contrary, I'd be very eager to find the results of investigation into related questions: Just who is Joe Sitt? How did he get his start? Whose

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The article has a flag on an unsourced and undated quote from a NYTimes article about the development situation. A Google news search shows that things have moved on from the developer's drawings mentioned in the article. Does anyone else want to do a rewrite of this section? Lots of articles out

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Although I am not sure that this isn't better left as its own article, if the consensus was that it be merged here I don't have a problem with that - I'll do it, so the information they gathered isn't lost, and if further discussion here results in not wanting it in this article, it can easily be

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First, PBS is not famed for doing a very thorough job on local history. Their primary source for this claim is a 1924 "document." They don't state what the "document" is, but it is ill placed to "prove" anything about the name of Coney Island. Also, the article gives a bunch of explanations, they

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These and other amusement spots at Coney Island attract large crowds throughout the season which usually runs from Easter Sunday until the middle of September. The Grand Finale of the season usually ends with a Mardi-Gras which lasts a week. Each night a pageant is held with floats and spectacles

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Understand what is at stake does not really require too much imagination. There is no natural law that Coney Island must be split between low income housing and cheap entertainment. With adequate political support, I could imagine it turned into one of the most expensive residential districts in

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attributed to Joan Vinckeboons". This seems to conflict with your saying "(Douglas) points out the earliest date for the map is 1670, not 1639" and the current text "A Dutch map of Manhattan and environs from around 1670, believed to be a copy of a 1639 map" The ca. 1639 date is confirmed on

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Two other problems I noticed. The main topic is un-referenced, no references as to the actual description of the Coney Island neighborhood - no reliable sources at all. We can see it does exist but that will need fixing. The other problem is other sources contradict the map in the info box -

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of the hand-drawn map. This copy was created between 1665-1670, perhaps that is where the confusion comes from. Your text is also less informative. E.g., you removed the text on it being depicted as a peninsula in 1639 and a true island in 1651/1656; the subject of its status as an island is

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Coney Island is one of the most famous playgrounds in the world. Located in New York City at the eastern end of Brooklyn at the mouth of the Atlantic. It is about five miles in length and about three-quarters of a mile in width. Accessible by fast Subway, Street Cars and Busses and Excursion

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Source: (1) Cudahy, B.J. (2009). How We Got to Coney Island: The Development of Mass Transportation in Brooklyn and Kings County. Fordham University Press. p. 71 (2) Cross, G.; Walton, J.K. (2005). The Playful Crowd: Pleasure Places in the Twentieth Century. Columbia University Press. p.

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Just out of curiosity, how is Coney Island formerly an island as I am guessing that it wasn't dragged by ships to be attached to the mainland. Sorry if this sounds like a dumb question but I am from Britain not the USA so we're not really knowledgable about specific areas of the US.

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Correction: the 1924 "document" is for a different claim, that Coney is named for a "Konoh (Bear) Tribe." The claim that it is named for the Irish Island is a popular legend in Sligo, Ireland, where "that" Coney Island is, and the claim is from an article in the local newspaper. --

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I haven't actually read this in a while, and I am quite surprised at how it now reads. The sections "Summer of 2007" and "Development efforts and controversy" are way, way, way too long - disproportionate to the rest of the article. There should be a short, maybe 2-3 paragraph

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From the current article: "Coney Island still maintains a broad sandy beach from West 37th Street at Seagate through the Coney Island and Brighton Beach to the beginning of the community of Manhattan Beach, a distance of approximately 2½ miles (~4.0 km)." This does not parse. -

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was basically divided. First two sections were about the peninsula, the next five (most of History, as well as Theme parks and attractions, Demographics, Education, and Transportation) were about the sub-neighborhood. I strongly disagree that adding info in the neighborhood

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just end with the Irish island one because apparently that is the most colorful. I am altering the claim to accurately reflect the contents of the article. The bald claim that the other explanations are wrong and it is named after the Irish Coney Island is unsupportable. --

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IMDB really won't be very useful here. You're looking for references that cite coney island as a notable feature in a movie, song, etc. IMDB is ok for information on casts and directors, but not really useful or reliable for content. You may want to take a look at

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gives us 4 Southern Brooklyn neighborhoods on Coney Island Peninsula - Sea Gate, Coney Island, Brighton Beach, and Manhattan Beach. So I think we are safe in saying Sea Gate is a separate neighborhood, and I am not seeing any source that says otherwise.

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The only problem I see now is - should this article be about the neighborhood or the island/peninsula called "Coney Island"? Looking it over, an awful lot of this article is about the island/peninsula. It may be a better idea for there to be a

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to. Also, you don't include things like "at the time of this writing" - this is not a news report. I'm inclined to just lop all of that stuff off, considerably shortening those parts, but I'll give editors a chance to look at it.

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should be a separate article -- is there much to say, beyond that it used to be a barrier island, and is now a peninsula consisting of three neighbourhoods there's extensive individual articles on. But that it redirects to the

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In any case, with only two people discussing this, we should probably have more input to this discussion. In the scenario that the neighborhood article is split, then the peninsula article should probably be split as well, with

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Fine with me - I didn't think it belonged here anyway, as per above. But the proposed merge and deletion was talking about a separate article for the COney crash which we were asked to merge here - I don't see an article named

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Among the many famous places of Amusement at the Island, are Steeplechase Park and Luna Park. There are many exhibits and side shows which are procured at great expense, showing rare freaks of nature and daring feats of skill.

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section which doesn't discuss it all, other than in an image caption, seems unhelpful. I think these two different meanings need to be made more clearly distint in the lead section, even if one sense greatly predominates.

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map, which is at best tenuous at describing neighborhoods. For example, in Queens we have Elmhurst-Maspeth, right next to the actual neighborhoods of Elmhurst and Maspeth. These should really be taken with a grain of salt.

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The residential portion of the peninsula is a community of 60,000 people in its western part, with Sea Gate to its west, Brighton Beach and Manhattan Beach to its east, the Lower Bay to the south, and Gravesend to the

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Neighborhood in southwest Brooklyn (2000 pop. 106,120), bounded to the north by Coney Island Creek and the Belt Parkway, to the east by Ocean Parkway, to the south by the Atlantic Ocean, and to the west by Norton’s

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AGF on offline source. I agree that ALT2 has the broadest appeal and is the most interesting. The ALT0 could work if it was explained why the railroads were built there, but it would then become too long-winded.

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This predates the 1690 map mentioned by over 50 years. I'm not suggesting it's factually accurate, but it's worth investigating, no? I'm usually a Witionary editor, but I thought this was worth mentioning here.

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The demographics section states: "Once home to many Jewish residents, Coney Island's main population groups today are African American, Italian American, Hispanic, and recent Russian and Ukrainian immigrants."

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part of these three neighborhoods), which are also part of the Coney Island peninsula. The area that is named Coney Island on its own is what's highlighted in the infobox. This is similar to the situation in

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include Robert Moses' passive support of lawless youth gangs in the early 60s; and long periods during which organised crime operated prostitution and even gambling racing tracks without legal harassment).

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to do at Coney and always has been. Better, seems to me, to halve what the lead says about baseball, and add a sentence or two to hint at the other attractions that are detailed in the various sections.

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This suggests that the area is no longer "home to many Jewish residents." But in reality, a large portion of the Russian and Ukrainian immigrant community here is actually Jewish. This should be fixed.

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numerous other sites besides the Schwartz and Ehrenberg one I added, but these you'll reject as they do not mention Coney Island (for whatever rule you've misinterpreted for that). The LOC has

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No mention of handball? I don't know if handball started here BUT it was DEFINITLEY popularized and mastered here. Coney Island is the mecca of handball and there is no mention of it....

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for what is now Coney Island (neighborhood). From this exact article (cited to Cross, G.; Walton, J.K. (2005). The Playful Crowd: Pleasure Places in the Twentieth Century. pp. 14-15),

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Source: Kadinsky, Sergey (2016). Hidden Waters of New York City: A History and Guide to 101 Forgotten Lakes, Ponds, Creeks, and Streams in the Five Boroughs. Countryman Press. p. 200.

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This article needs a clean up and an NPOV check. A quick run through found NPOV statements such as "Coney Island's excellent and sun-drenched beach remains a major attraction."

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The section on bumper cars is pretty rediculous and not encyclopedic at all. I would clean it up, but I don't even know where to start. Someone should have a look at it.

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One way is to start is trying a google book search on a phrase for a really notable entry. For example, I tried a search for coney+island+woody+allen. Here is the result

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https://web.archive.org/web/20140311180142/http://www.lunaparknyc.com/about-us/media/118-nycedc-announces-new-qthunderboltq-roller-coaster-to-be-built-at-coney-island.html

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discussed in some detail by Hunter. Another unnecessary loss of information is the removal of the 1656 Visscher map; wikimedia only has a picture of a 1685 copy, but the

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accidents at Coney Island, that could work - but as it is now, I think this is not all that appropriate for this more general article about COney Island. Any thoughts?

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though, due to being realty sources, which are (in)famous for arbitrarily changing the boundaries of neighborhoods. Luckily, as Sea Gate is a gated community, we know

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By the early 1900s, West Brighton had gradually become the most popular destination, and as such, became associated with the lively amusement area of Coney Island

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https://web.archive.org/web/20140311180202/http://brooklyn.news12.com/news/luna-park-breaks-ground-on-new-roller-coaster-the-thunderbolt-on-coney-island-1.7344601

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in Knowledge alone. Amusements were not just in the Coney neighborhood, a couple of race tracks were not. The lead paragraph of this article still describes the

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Where is it? I was there this past weekend and didn't see it, but it is very possible that I missed it. Astroland wasn't even open yet, though Deno's was. --

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The whole section on the name is poorly structured and frequently repetitive. It could do with a thorough re-write. (I know, I know. When I get the time...) --

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So please, let's not create unnecessary articles about geographical areas just because part of the larger neighborhood isn't included within any subsection.

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Bruce Springsteen's "Tunnel Of Love" song video has Coney Island amusements/shore in it I believe...or else some other amusement park. Verification needed.

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As for West Brighton (as described in your source), that definitely isn't its own neighborhood, but a census designation area. In fact, "West Brighton" is

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It is not unusual to find over 1,000,000 people spending their Sundays or Holidays at this Amusement and Bathing Resort. The Boardwalk is second to none.

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They are the same. The Coney Island neighborhood includes Brighton Beach and Sea Gate, as well as Manhattan Beach (and the part of Coney Island that is

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That's very true, in which case I'm struggling to find any islands surrounding South Africa which would have previously been referred to as "Cony Ile".

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Source: Judith N. DeSena; Timothy Shortell (2012). The World in Brooklyn: Gentrification, Immigration, and Ethnic Politics in a Global City. p. 153.

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I tackled it. It was complete POV and sexist to boot. I only edited the amusements section though; I couldn't figure out how to work with the rest.

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An accident article should not be merged with an amusement park article. The categories in which these articles naturally belong are different.

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I split the development section into a new article, and summarized it here. I think the summary I wrote needs to be made shorter still. --

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Just a comment but ALT2 is probably the best hook out of the three proposed. ALT0 and ALT1 have rather limited appeal, ALT2 is quirky.

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I promise this is my last post for tonight. Both the Macaulay and NYC Portfolios sites draw their definition of West Brighton from the

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If the community sense is that this section ought to be moved or scaled back, I hope it will find a new home elsewhere in Knowledge.

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Thanks for that answer, Jim! It would be great to move this information to the main body of the article if it can be sourced. -

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http://www.lunaparknyc.com/about-us/media/118-nycedc-announces-new-qthunderboltq-roller-coaster-to-be-built-at-coney-island.html

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with some map evidence worked back in in a hopefully less OR form. Map evidence seems to date back to the edits of an IP editor

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An anon, in good faith, believes that Coney Island is named after the island of the same name in Ireland. He cites a PBS story

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http://brooklyn.news12.com/news/luna-park-breaks-ground-on-new-roller-coaster-the-thunderbolt-on-coney-island-1.7344601

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Moved from article because of copyright concerns, and because they're closer to promotion than anything encyclopedic:

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your speculation above that the author of this piece was a historian. It is also very easy to claim that something is

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Goodness, this has become a big article for such a small part of Brooklyn, though the material is mostly worthy. See

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It is interesting but I don't really think it needs to be mentioned here. This article is way too long already.

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of the Etymology section was wholly sourced to primary sources (interpretations of historical maps) making it

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article so that just things about West Brighton / Coney Island neighborhood can be moved there. We also have

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sounds good. As for what part is Cone Island, The info box map shows west 37th Street to Ocean Parkway, and

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some very old maps seem to show some variation of the islands historical name going back to XXXX date

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removed. Oddly enough, I live in NY and have no recollection of this accident, from just last year.

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developed into a resort area after the construction of five railroads there in the 19th century?

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Rabinovitz, Lauren (2004). "The Coney Island Comedies". In Charlie Keil, Shelley Stamp (ed.).

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referred to. The idea of "a gun, a blanket, and a kettle" appears to be quite apocryphal.--

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definition, Sea Gate is considered to be part of the standalone Coney Island neighborhood.

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give us another neighborhood, West Brighton, that takes up part of Coney neighborhood.

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is one of a few in the United States that is not mostly owned by any one entity?

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which are very impressive and colorful and a Carnival spirit prevails.

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to say that the neighborhood is the base topic. I'd argue that since

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separated. Do some British cities have similar former islands?

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Whats this article about? The neighborhood or the peninsula?

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