Talk:Camp Chapman attack

2071:, two were women, one was Harold Brown, and one still needs to be identified, in any case it's clear now that eight people died in the attack: seven CIA guys (including an American of Afghan origin) and one Jordanian. And if you still have doubts that it was seven American CIA agents I again point out that the US president states in an open letter to the CIA that seven Americans died, and the CIA spokesmen today said they had a memorial at the airport for the arival of seven killed CIA agents. I see Publics has already made the necessary corrections, I will also do some more too tomorow. And please Cs32en, stop fighting this. Both the US president and a CIA spokesmen stated that seven American CIA guys died. Even if the US president had wrong information since his statement was a day after the attack, you mean to tell me the CIA spokesmen also had the wrong information today, a week after the attack? It's over Cs32en. 2750:

one's demise? Indeed, where does one draw the line? When the lead section of an article on a bomb attack lists casualties without going into detail about how each got hurt/killed then the reader will most likely disregard chaos theory and automatically assume that each was struck down by the bomb blast, shrapnel, or at very least flying and falling debris. Adding someone to that list who was gunned down in a friendly fire incident subsequent to the bombing without mention of that circumstance therefore results in a misunderstanding. I feel the best way to avoid such misunderstanding is either to include some context that will distinguish such peripheral casualties from those victims actually struck down by the bomb or leave such indirect deaths out of the lead section entirely.--

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suspicious of his CIA contacts and removed him from the front line. In both cases, al-Balawi would have ceased to be a triple agent (in the first case, because he would no longer have been a double agent in the eyes of the CIA, in the second case, because the CIA would have believed that he was compromised, thus they would certainly have searched him). It's more likely that he was pressured into cooperating with the Jordanian agency and, at one point, decided to turn against the Jordanian agency and the CIA. That would make him either a "simple" agent who turned against the CIA, or, in case he was recruited as an agent by al-Qaeda or Haqqani after turning against the CIA, a double agent. Any further information on this in reliable sources?

730: 2466:, an incident which caused an uproar in Afghanistan and the Afghan Security Council to demand that the US hand over the perpetrators. According to Story, that attack (killing the schoolchildren) was implemented to derail the ongoing unwinding by international law enforcement personnel of 'Operation Stillpoint' which, again according to Story, is a financial fraud which has been perpetrated by three US presidents for more than a decade (on the scale of $ 47 Trillion), As no mainstream media has so far covered this alleged story I can only inform other editors that if true, Operation Stillpoint is undoubtedly the largest financial fraud in history. Extensive details are however presented on worldreports.org. __ 762: 532: 3682:, which has rejected U.S. calls to deny safe havens to the network. Pakistan's security officials have warned against an escalation of the U.S. drone attacks in the country. A senior Pakistani security official urged the United States to coordinate its response to the suicide attack with the Pakistani government, in order to avoid "unnecessary and further friction" to the alliance of both countries, while a U.S. State Department official said that the U.S. counterterrorist efforts "are coordinated with foreign governments, including with Pakistan, as needed." 714: 2135:. If the bases security chief was only a simple Afghan as you say why is there no mention of him in any media, and why were there SEVEN bodies at Dover airport yesterday? IF the bases security chief was even killed he was obviously an American of Afghan origin since there were seven bodies on the plane taht arrived at Dover yesterday, the CIA and the US president said seven CIA officers, seven Americans died. Why is his body being buried in the US if he was only an Afghan? Hmmm? Stop fighting this man. Jeez. 429: 402: 3670:

had indications pointing in that direction. Pakistani officials played down the likelihood that the Haqqani network organized the attack, and cautioned against jumping to conclusions. Christine Fair, an assistant professor at Georgetown University, said that these suspicions would arise because "the United States government has really taken upon itself to degrade the Haqqani network", while Pakistan has "demurred, if not outright refused, to take action against" it.

682: 439: 859: 698: 3708:, the Pakistani Taliban leader who was killed by a U.S. drone in August earlier that year. The CIA launched more than 50 drone attacks in 2009, compared to more than 30 in 2008, according to an ABC News tally. The CIA officials based at Forward Operating Base Chapman were at the center of the drone campaign, according to intelligence officials, and they were looking for informants to help them find senior al-Qaeda and Haqqani leaders. 838: 1534:. In addition one of these ref identifies the eight American previously reported as the Jordanian. If you even want to separate the American perimeter guard and state he was not a CIA officer that would be wrong since the CIA consideres contractors working for them as their employess thus officers too. There is a ref on this already in the article. Nine died not eight, seven officers died not six, seven Americans died not six. 746: 3257:. However, that's not the case either. The Camp Chapman Attack is currently only described as a suicide bombing. Therefore, anyone reading that the security director was a casualty of the attack as described will wrongly conclude that he died in the bombing. Perhaps this wasn't entirely clear to the uninvolved editors the first time they offered their opinions, so I'd be grateful if we could discuss this a bit further.-- 869: 2785:

political decisions" however erroneous? Of course not. I'm only trying to reduce the potential for misunderstanding when readers of the lead section see a list of attack casualties without knowing that one of them was actually caused by subsequent friendly fire. And if you don't consider the friendly fire incident to be subsequent to the "attack" then how long after the bomber disintegrated did his attack continue? --

653: 195: 802: 336: 205: 286: 200: 2853:, however, does not refer to "the attack" but to "Balawi". The article reads: "According to the guard, it was then that Balawi detonated his bomb, killing eight and injuring six." I don't think the specific circumstances of Arghawan's death are important enough for the lead. But if we want to include them in the lead section, we would have to write "eight people were killed by the bomb". 601: 371: 2546:. I do not agree that al-Balawi was an informat which implies more informal relationship than someone who is meeting with the CIA #2(the unidentified woman agent). I imagine that persons involved with US gov Intelligence monitor this wp page, perhaps they can let the press know about the correct terminology, or issue an official CIA statement about what happened. 1525:. The source says eight Americans and one Afghan, that one American was later identified to actualy be the Jordanian. I can find a few more that stated nine. Here are more up to date sources than your source that state seven and not six CIA officers died, your source for six is dated January 2, here is this one also dated January 2 stating seven died 615: 564: 3002:

soldier, not the suicide bomber. The article's lead section defines the Camp Chapman Attack solely as a suicide bombing, alone, and exclusive of any military response no matter how immediate. As long as the US soldier's subsequent attack against the Security Director is not mentioned in the lead section, perhaps as an ill fated response to the

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Specifically, the Casuaties section might read better beginning with an overall body count followed by subsections naming US casualties and Non-US casualties. For instance, I'm not sure that "CIA employees and contractors" and "Non-US Casualties" are as mutually exclusive as the current subsection breaks suggest. --

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defensive action on the part of the other side occur, and both are part of the incident. An offensive action by the party that has been attacked would not usually be considered part of the incident, unless you have an "incident" that would be called "War in Afghanistan", which would cover multiple smaller incidents.

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have a first name as well as a family name. It might well be that nine people were killed, seven bodies returned to the U.S., Arghawan, and the Jordanian officer. But we have no reliable source for nine dead, and we haven't got a source for Arghawan being an American. We just need to leave it there, at the moment.

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the death of the security director, a death which would not have occured if there would have been no attack, from, e.g. the U.S. drone strikes that took place in the days after the attack, which are sometimes interpreted as retaliation for the bombing. Maybe some other editors will comment on the issue, or a

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I agree that we have not yet arrived at a consensus for describing the security director as a casualty of the attack as long as the article defines the Camp Chapman Attack solely as a suicide bombing. As you know, the security director survived the bombing and was mistakenly gunned down afterwards by

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A better source than a blog would be needed. I think the suicide bombing preparation took more time than that, the decision to attack the base seems to be founded in opportunity, it would have gone off irrespective of other activity in the world. They had an opportunity that would not be there in the

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Given the somewhat obscure statements from FBI officials ("still determining the components of the explosive", "shrapnel", "significant explosion", "entered by car"), is it possible that the explosives were attached to the car, rather than to the attacker. People involved may have acted under duress,

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of eight deaths, the CIA acknowledged only seven. The eight person killed turned out to be the officer of the Jordanian intelligence service. The death offered a rare glimpse of a U.S.-Jordanian partnership that is rarely acknowledged publicly, yet seen by U.S. officials as highly important for their

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Initially, eight U.S. citizens were believed to have died in the attack, and a U.S. defence official said that all of the dead would be civilians, not U.S. or NATO troops. Hours after the attack on the base, the official number of intelligence operatives killed in the bombing was revised, and instead

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Afghanistan's government suspected that the attack was a revenge attack organized by the network. A Pentagon consultant, an ex-Afghan official who has worked at the base with the CIA, and a counterterror official of the CIA expressed similar views, and one U.S. military official stated that the U.S.

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That's fine, but if the bombing and shooting are not to be regarded as distinct events or even distinct phases of the same event then shouldn't the shooting also be mentioned in the lead section's description of that single cohesive event for the benefit of readers who quite understandably would not

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Phiont, of course you stated your opinion on the RfC while is has been open. That's not the issue. The issue is that, as far as I can tell, the two outside editors who participated in the RfC disagreed with your position, so that I have eventually changed the text according to the apparent consensus

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I'm rather baffled by the fact that your only contributions to the encyclopedia in the last few months have been to make edits to this particular article and to its talk page. When talking about people that perish in a military attack, that usually includes those that are being killed by the actions

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The 9/11 and Oklahoma City attack analogies are not appropriate because the Security Director was not killed by collapsing buildings or falling debris or anything else directly attributable to the attack of the suicide bomber. However mistakenly, the Security Director was attacked and killed by a US

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On 3 Jan., the Times of India said the blast killed Arghawan. On 10 Jan., the Times of London said Arghawan "survived the initial blast." One of those two versions is clearly unreliable. Please explain why you have chosen to discard the Times of London version in favour of the Times of India version

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To delve briefly into your counter-example, if the security director had been immediately killed by a US soldier commanding a drone instead of holding a pistol would you still have attributed his death to the suicide bombing, even though it would have resulted from so-called "tactical, strategic, or

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I'll work on the issue later on. There are also sources that say that Mehsud and Haqqani would have cooperated in the preparation of the attack. If you have well-sourced information, you can always add content to the article. Please indicate the source of the information, e.g. the newspaper article.

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The "triple agent" hypothesis seems increasingly dubious. If al-Balawi went to Afghanistan under the cover of treating wounded insurgents, that would not be useful cover for an al-Qaeda agent. So the CIA would have concluded that either he stopped working with al-Qaeda, or that al-Qaeda was aware or

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Members of the Haqqani network have occasionally cooperated with the Pakistani Taliban in the past. "At times they send suicide attackers to our area, and we give them shelter and find targets for them," a former commander of the group said. The network has carried out numerous attacks with growing

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Should the security director of Camp Chapman, who died as a result of the attack on the base, be referred to as a casualty of the the attack, and is the wording " was killed in the attack" correct to describe the circumstances? (A user who claims that the wording should not be used has again stated

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As an analogy, would you consider the firefighters that rushed into the buildings on 9/11 to be casualties of the attacks? Or would they simply dead due to an on-the-job accident? I would definitely consider them to be casualties of the attacks. As I consider the death of the camp security director

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Thank you for your advice! I have used the word "casualty" in the entire article myself, and I would actually prefer that word to "victim". The dispute, however, is about whether it is appropriate to write that "he died in the attack". According to reports, he initially survived the bombing and was

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Phiont, I have not written that the security director would have been killed by the attacker, but that he was killed in the attack. In fact, if the attack would not have taken place, he would not have been killed. So it's quite logical to count the security director among those who have been killed

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has published a rather detailed account of the attack. Unfortunately, the text in written in a very journalistic, i.e. not encyclopedic language, so major rewording is necessary, in my view. But this is a great source for further expansion of the article. As for the comments, I think they represent

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These are two separate issue that have not yet been fully clarified. (1) Was al-Balawi an agent, or was he an informant? (2) Was Balawa a double agent, or was he a triple agent? We will have to wait for more information in reliable sources to emerge, or a convergence of the reports and the language

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Up until this attack I had never seen the term triple agent, I think it first appeared in the British press, so it could be a common British term. While I understand your points a main stream source disputing triple agent would be needed. Triple agent seems to fit as double agent does not, and from

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By the way, I very much doubt that the corpse of the Afghan security director was transferred to the U.S., and the headlines and reports related to this appear to be examples of sloppy journalism. Do you have any reliable information that the Afghan was a U.S. citizen? If he were, he would probably

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Check where Joby Warrick quotes sources other than those in the article. It may be that this source (or, for that matter, other source that appeared in the meantime) may rely on a subset of the sources, while not including other sources. Then, we may still need to include different versions or use

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The drone attacks carried out by the U.S. military in Pakistan rely on local informants, who can cross the border into Pakistan in a way CIA officers cannot. CIA officers at the base were involved in the coordination, targeting and surveillance of drone strikes aimed at the Taliban. At the time of

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There is already consensus here on the talk page, and I don't know why I should discuss this issue further with you if you don't want to or are unable to acknowledge the existing consensus. You may want to explain why you have set up an account for the only purpose of engaging in the dispute about

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I'd say it wasn't a "subsequent incident", but that it was part of the incident that started with the bomb blast. Those actions that happened immediately during and after the blast reflect reactions on an individual basis, not tactical, strategic, or political decisions. That is what distinguished

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Sorry that some parts of the article look confused. An official said the attack looked like Al Qaeda. Others opine that the attack coudn't have been carried out without the help of the Haqqani network. All other statements, as of this moment, seem to derive from these assessments. Whether they are

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For the last time do not separate contractor from official, wheater contractor or official all seven were CIA officers or operatives and all seven were at Dover airport yesterday thus proving the Afghan was most likely an American of Afghan origin. You are out of arguments Cs32en, anything you say

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Well since the fox source states that three guards among the seven CIA were killed along with the Jordanian, but without the mention of the Afghan guard I deduced that the Afghan was an American CIA guard of Afghan origin. He along with the two Xe guards make a total of three guards. The perimeter

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and Taliban target for drone aircraft strikes, and were also plotting missions to kill the networks' top leaders. CIA bases on the Afghan-Pakistan border gather intelligence in both countries and are in contact with local operatives. According to a former intelligence official, two of the officers

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We should seriously think of removing the politician's and bureaucrat's "oh, this is a sad day" comments. Gut most of the reactions section. This article should be about the attack, not some lame political press release comments. Later, when more information comes in, we should include the actual

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article. This article suggests that the Haqquani Network was involved. They have a video with the bomber and Mehsud the leader of the group. Please revise this article and remove all mentions of the Haqquani network who had nothing to do with this attack according to the new information. Any body

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One more thing, I didn't just simple remove the reference, there was no reference to begin with. You can check this by checking the edit history of the article before my last edit and will see that reference number 28 linked to NOTHING. I checked now more thoroughly what the problem was, it seems

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All current reliable sources say eight have been killed. One was an Afghan, one was a Jordanian, so six would be CIA. The number of sources is not very relevant, as most sources, even the most reliable, often use outdated press agency reports or even take information from other newspapers or even

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It's a good question, isn't it, especially for those with an interest in chaos theory. Could the hypothetical death of a child run over by an ambulance rushing to Camp Chapman also have been attributed to the attack? How about the heart attack death of the child's father on hearing of his little

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Thank you for the suggestion! I've already thought about inserting a list in the article, but I decided to wait until more information is available. In particular, it is important that we do not duplicate individuals, e.g. the perimeter security guard may well be one of those whose names are now

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The Haqqani network was originally suspect of involvement in the attack, but they were not a part of it, nor has it been shown they even knew about it beforehand. I am parking the section here if some information or sources can be used elsewhere. A background section should remain, however, the

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I agree. Including even the briefest statement on how Arghawan died in the lead section would lend enough scope to the term "attack" to justify including Arghawan among the casualties of the "attack." This way the attack incident would be immediately understood to include a bombing and shooting

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is more of an OR violation than my edit. In fact the sources say eight have been killed including SEVEN CIA officers. You are purposly distorting the facts. Can you prove to me that the three sources I provided to you, and I can provide you with a lot more, that state state seven died are using

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The difference between the shooting of the security director and the (hypothetical) drone attack would be that the shooting was (a) an immediate reaction and (b) intended to reduce the impact of the attack, i.e. defensive. In war-related incidents, offensive action on the part of one side, and

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As I tried to explain during the first RfC, if the security director had been killed by collapsing buildings, fire, falling debris or anything else directly attributable to the attack of the suicide bomber then the 9/11 and Oklahoma City bombing analogies offered by you and Quixotess would be

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There was considerable confusion after the attack about the motivations of the attacker and the source of its support. It was not clear whether conflicting claims of responsibility indicated that Pakistani Taliban, Afghan Taliban, and al-Qaeda were working independently from each other. U.S.

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In the Jordanian reaction section, it seems like it is being stressed that al-Balawi was a GID contact and an informant, not a double agent. And there's no CIA claim to counter that. The sources quoted in that section use phrasing similar to 'suicide bomber was not a double agent after all',

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Please note that it was you who reverted to your version 20 days before the first RfC closed. I undid that edit and stated my position on the first RfC, 10 days before that RfC closed. No editor responded to my position before that RfC closed. And now it is you, not I, who has restarted the

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Phiont, you have claimed that there would be no consensus for describing the security director as a casualty of the attack. Do you consider that the other editors who have commented on this question agree with you, or would you concede that they do not agree with the position that you have

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Other sources say four officials and three contractors died. I'll way for some time to see if further information emerges. If this is not the case, I'll make the respective changes to the article, i.e. eight killed by the attacker, four CIA officers, three CIA contractors, and a Jordanian

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shot by an employee or soldier stationed at the base who would have mistaken him for an accomplice. I see the "defensive fire" as part of the attack, just as there is fire from both sides in a military battle, and therefore think that it is appropriate to say that "he died in the attack".

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Details of the Sec Dir's death have been added to the Execution section. Also, the reader is now informed that the suicide attack was a bombing a bit earlier than the last line of the lead section. My only outstanding concern is that the victims are now listed in 4 or 5 different places.

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AFAIK, the CIA said nothing to counter that; so its only the Jordanians' word vs. Taliban's word. It seems more logical to credit the legitimate governmental organization's word over that of an organization that actually might NEED to twist facts to appear more heroic. What do you think?

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A source described by The Times as a former CIA bin Laden hunter reportedly said the CIA obtained one electronic intercept of a Pakistani army officer tipping the Haqqanis off to a raid and another in which a member of the Pakistani intelligence service says the "Haqqanis are our guys."

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All sources, except for one, state seven CIA officers died, the sources also state one Afghan security guard and one Jordanian military officer died. That is a total of nine. If you realy want to avoid OR, but this in fact isn't realy OR but whatever, for the number nine here you go

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The three contract guards were most likely the two Xe guys and the Afghan chief of security. The Afghan was most likely an American of Afghan origin. Ok...now we have confirmed the three security guys, as for the four officials they were the two women, Harold Brown, and one more

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from the internet. The ABC report is an independently researched article, and the information it gives is very plausible. Furthermore, by placing the footnote next to the number "six", the article clearly indicates that this is information that is based on a particular source.

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The arraignment of the info looks good to me. The story is still developing, and I believe there were seriously wounded also. What happened to the "An American perimeter security guard"? It is also possible that the CIA is spreading disinformation as to numbers and who was

1580:. You mean to say that the president of the USA himself got it wrong and said seven instead of six? Wow. You cann't have a more valid source than that huh? Are you going to say now that the president got it wrong are you just going to ignore me and say - 3245:

appropriate. However, that's not what happened. The security director survived the bombing. A short time after the bombing, he was shot and killed by a soldier. Furthermore, if the main article defined and described the Camp Chapman Attack as a

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Yeah I saw it, Dane Paresi. He was a security contractor just like Arghawan and Jeremi Wise. So that means that Scott Roberson was not a contractor even though he was a security guy. Roberson must have been a full-time security officer for the

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The CIA regards contractors as officers. This has been sourced and proven. Also, the president of the US said seven Americans were killed, and the spokesman for the CIA stated that they held a memorial for the arival of the seven agents, qoute

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the security director at Camp Chapman. Also, as you have noticed the change to the article within a few hours, is it a reasonable assumption that you have watchlisted this article on a different account that you are using for other purposes?

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I write to mark a sad occasion in the history of the CIA and our country. Yesterday, seven Americans in Afghanistan gave their lives in service to their country. Michelle and I have their families, friends and colleagues in our thoughts and

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on the talk page. You have then restored your preferred version of the text, and restarted the discussion on the issue (i.e. after the RfC had been closed). Can you answer my question on your take on the comments made by the other editors?

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I have changed the text a week after the last comment by an uninvolved editor, based on the consensus that had emerged in the RfC. Unfortunately, a new discussion seems to be necessary, as you have reverted the text to your preferred

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The shot on the security director was a direct result of the bombing, it is a subordinate action. It's not as if the bombing would have been followed by a firefight or shooting that could be construed as a distinct phase of the

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All current reliable sources say eight have been killed, but they DO NOT say that one was an Afghan, one was a Jordanian and six would be CIA. Since you blasted at me with that OR rule I guess you could say that your statement

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Should the security director of Camp Chapman, who died as a result of the attack on the base, be referred to as a victim of the the attack, and is the wording " was killed in the attack" correct to describe the circumstances?

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right or wrong, commentators and CIA people have talked about Al Qaeda in connection with the event, and their comments seem to be notable. If you have any new sources, or anything that I have overlooked, please let me know!

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between the U.S. and Afghanistan, and over counterterrorism strategies between the U.S. and Pakistan, were increasing. Confirmation that the Haqqani network was responsible for the bombing could put additional strains on

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the point of view of the CIA he was a triple agent as they did not know otherwise. If you have a source disputing triple agent then post it for discussion, but right now the main stream media seems to accept triple agent.

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consisting of more than just the suicide bombing. In fact, section one also fails to describe the attack as anything more than a suicide bombing, so for now I'm removing the security director from that casualty list,

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the sometimes quite varied opinions about the event, so I don't think a major change is needed there. But adding or removing statements, to better reflect the gist of the ongoing public discussion, might be useful.

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While the previous version may have contained too much context, I feel that the current version contains too little context. I haven't looked at how much of the content may have found its way to other articles.

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Earlier today, CIA Director Leon Panetta, other agency and national security officials, and friends and family members attended a private, dignified event at Dover Air Force Base to honor and welcome home the

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the number of dead in the article, if we include the Afghan security chief as one of the seven CIA operatives, which do include four officials and three guards, by the way all according to your references. :)

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I noted in the table that the two of the three contractors were Xe, maybe we should note what branches the others belonged to, since Brown's speciality was military intelligence he would have been probably

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The book by Joby Warrick appears to be quite useful to streamline the article. Most of the text was written when information was extremely sketchy and at times unreliable. I would have two suggestions:

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on the part of the party that defends itself against the attack. An attack is not just the initial action. In addition, the wording is not "was killed by the bomb", but "was killed in the attack".

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I've updated the opening paragraphs after finding that two paragraphs were hidden by an open (ref) tag. Here is the third, which I've removed because it isn't relevant enough for the opening.

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The previous RfC got a response from 2 uninvolved editors. They both agreed. That's as close to a consensus as you get on Knowledge. Give me a good reason to not close this superfluous RfC. -

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I removed the following paragraph, as the assessments made by officials are not conclusions drawn from an investigation. The information may be added to the article somewhere else, however.

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discussion on the issue 7 days after the first RfC closed. (I apologise for stating all this to any reader conscientious enough to check your version of events against the edit history.)--

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Nobody has suggested that the Security Director died in an "on-the-job accident." He was certainly killed in an attack, however the attacker was a US soldier and not the suicide bomber.--

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I've taken out early sources reporting erroneous claims and revised the text where it was needed. Would be glad to have someone review the changes or contribute to further improvements.

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If you still don't trust me or the sources that SEVEN and not six American CIA guys died than I qoute CIA spokesman George Little who today said (by the way my source is your source :))

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We could add that information in the introduction of the section "Execution of the attack". I don't think it's relevant enough to be included in the lead section of the whole article.

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This source is from December 31, 2009. Note that I did not remove the information about "seven CIA officers" from the text, but just added the information from ABC. Note that the

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reports that only one private security contractor has been killed. As a result of the attack, the base was rendered inoperative until the CIA sends in a new team of officers.

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Cs32en, silence is a form of consensus. Unilaterally reverting to your preferred version after 11 weeks of shunning my plea for further discussion is not consensus. --

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The operatives stationed at the base were responsible for intelligence collection on insurgents' networks in both Afghanistan and Pakistan, including the selection of

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The United States and Pakistan differ over which Islamist fighters to target. Pakistan sees Haqqani, who had long-standing links with its military spy agency, the

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The bombing cannot be seen as suggesting "that al-Qaeda might not be as weakened as previously thought". One suicide attack doesn't indicate anything of the sort.

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outofdate information. Again, by the way, those sources are dated January 2, 3 and 4. Yours is January 2. I will leave you with one thought to think about. Qoute

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Citing the sensitivity of their mission, the CIA has not released the names of those killed in the attack, many of whom were seasoned hands in the agency's

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that I renamed that reference by some mistake so it linked to nothing. So I apologise on my part. Now back to our problem. I am willing to reduce from

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A video released in the days after the attack featured the purported bomber stating that he was carrying out the attack in response to the death of

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I hope that you have managed to cool down in the meantime. The issue was never about whether seven "CIA guys" were killed, but whether seven CIA

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who had never intended to cooperate with them. CIA and GID officials had been too eager by the prospect of a strike against al-Qaeda's leaders.

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The name of one of those killed can now be found on the internet. There appears to be little information about the person on the web, however.

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https://web.archive.org/web/20110726234505/http://www.daily.pk/cias-pearl-harbor-blowback-stings-cias-afghan-outpost-was-it-a-drug-hit-13834/

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I think we can exclude the possibility that the car was used in the bombing itself (other than to bring the attacker on the base) now.

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Some things in the article are woozily. Why should the attack be a sign for al-Qaedas not-weakness? Didn't attack the Taliban???

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This one was easy to find. However, I had already included the information about Dane Paresi when I wrote the sentences above.

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does not tell us anything about how many of the dead were offiers. See the section below for further discussion on this issue.

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investigated the attack. U.S. President Barack Obama praised the CIA officers who died in the bombing, and Afghan President

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on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions.

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condemned the attack. All seven of the operatives killed in the attack were memorialized with a star on the agency's

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were killed. It now looks very much that not seven, not even six, but four CIA officials were killed in the attack.

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CIA station chief described as a mother of three and had a history in counterterrorism dating back to the agency's

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I think the individuals get lost in the the prose paragraphs. I think it would be easier to edit as details emerge.

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published a week earlier? The ABC link you posted as an example of a reliable source appears to be even older. --

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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I'll have a look at the changes you have made later on. Thank you for changing to a more constructive approach.

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that began with the bombing and ended with the friendly fire attack against the security director then the word

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Of course. If/when this story breaks in the mainstream it will explode violently. We should wait for that. __

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officials said that their investigators have yet to determine which of the groups organized the attack.

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I think it would be easier to make sense of the casualty section if it were done as a list. For example:

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in 1979. It has focused on attacking U.S.-led forces in Afghanistan, rather than targeting Pakistan.

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By the way Cs32en, the Fox source states clearly, seven bodies returned to the US, not six, hehe. ;)

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Is the CIA lying now even at their memorial ceremony that seven but in reality six died? Hmmm....

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guard mentioned in that source was probably one of the two Xe guys. Si I supstituted him with

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Revised list of casualties based on new references provided by our friend Cs32en, thank you :)

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Most important is probably how reliable sources describe the death of the security director:

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and may have hoped to be able to escape the blast. Additional information (preferably from

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indicating that it's not just a Jordanian reaction, but a "new" development of facts.

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The Washington Post has changed its wording from "CIA officials" to "CIA operatives".

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I have not seen a source suggesting a car was involved at the time of the explosion.

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I rest my case and it was a tough case, jury you can withdraw to delibirate. Wow.

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also issued new security guidance to its bases in Afghanistan. The CIA and the

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President Obama's message to the men and women of the CIA. Here is the source

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The British press is using the term triple agent. Recent wall street journal:

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Jezz the US president's speechwriters must have had out-of-date information.

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Pakistani Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud is responsible according to this

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Cs32en, please note that I responded to the first RfC eleven days

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I know that not all the reports in reliable sources are correct.

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might help us to find a consensus on this part of the article.

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Jordanian and U.S. officials concluded that he must have been

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in the attack. Please let me know what you think about this. (

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That seven "flag-draped coffins" were handed to the families

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who fell in the line of duty last week in Khost, Afghanistan

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Thanks. Still working on it. I'll try to add more context.

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instead of just a bombing. How would you feel about this?--

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retaliation done and how many Taliban heads were cut off.

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assume that the term bombing also implies a shooting? --

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his opposition, after the first RfC had been closed.)

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Georgy, Michael; Haider, Zeeshan (January 7, 2010).

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it closed and not after as you have stated here. --

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