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Hi Seth. I see your point (the image on my talk page was helpful thanks). Having said that I think the article is using terrible wording. I bet I was not the only person to misunderstand this point. In any case it is worth mentioning (as I did in my version) that
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article, the sea level is increasing at a rate of three millimeters per year. If the rate remains constant, Caroline Island will be "reclaimed by the sea" in
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