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Joan were profiled in Loose Lips Sink Ships - a national publication and their members ran "Choke", one of the biggest alternative clubnights in
Bristol for several years, Geisha are signed to Crucial Blast, a US record label, they have also been interviewed in Loose Lips Sink Ships and several French music magazines - Alec Empire of Atari Teenage Riot is a big fan. Rose Kemp is signed to One Little Indian - Bjork's record label, Hunting Lodge are signed to US label Yosada, they were picked in the top ten of Radio 1's Festive 50 a couple of years ago, they've toured the UK and Europe, played sessions on London's Resonance FM and received reviews in Plan B magazine. SJ Esau is signed to Anticon records, and has released records on Twisted Nerve, he constantly tours Europe and has fans across the world. Gravenhurst is singed to Warp records (aphex twin etc.), his music appears in several films, he regularly tours Europe, the UK and the US and his videos get shown on MTV. If you've never even heard of these bands even though you live in Bristol, then I'd argue that you're perhaps not qualified to be moderating this article. Dan Bennett 19/03/2008
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339:: "one time massively popular", "making names", "healthy and broad" -- these are all vague, subjective, and impossible to demonstrate. If somebody was "massively popular" there should be some simple fact (sales, revenue, attendance?) that can be used in its place. "Healthy and broad"? By whose standards? What does it even mean for a music scene to be "healthy and broad"? A quantitative and objective replacement can surely be found.
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Notability wise, I must say, the fact that you've not heard of them doesn't seem a good reason to ditch them. You obviously aren't involved in that part of
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I didn't remove the article because I had not heard of the bands - just that there was no evidence of their notability - because someone has heard of them does not make them notable. The addition with citations looks better but it would be worth adding evidence of notability to all of the bands -
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Can whoever removed the detail I added previously justify themselves here? I've reinstated it as I think it's fairly obvious that anyone interested in bristol's music scene would benefit from the information listed. I've explained the notability above. Any more detailed justification within the
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If they have a very limited audience, are they notable enough to be in a
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