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Gosforth cross). But the Britons as Celts were here long before the English or Norse. And in the same way as we reckon Norse influence (transiently from 10th to 14th Centuries perhaps?) we must note Celtic influence in terms of place-names (Penrith, Carlisle, Torpenhow, Blencathra, Blennerhasset, etc, etc, etc) more than any other modern English county except Cornwall and the Cumbric language was a developed medieval language so wasn't "pre-English" but also post English in that it survived up to the 12th or 13th Centuries. There is also the yan, tyan, tethera, peddera, pimp which is clearly akin to Welsh. I know it has been said above that this is not Cumbric but the product of an undocumented Welsh immigration to Cumbria much later. This is a theory only and arguably the word giggot for 20 (Middle Welsh ugeint) shows a non-Welsh development of the common ancestor language Brittonic. The name Cumbrian by which people call themselves is identical in origin to Cymry/Cymru (i.e. Welsh/Wales) and was the name used by themselves and their English neighbours to describe the Cumbrians (the Norse seem to have called them Brets, ie Britons cf Birkby). So, in Cumbria's origins it is ignoring fact to deny any Celtic influence. But realistically why should we deny either? I think the Y chromosome markers showed Penrith had 15% Norwegian markers from memory, which was higher than anywhere else in England but still the vast majority genetic markers were what the programme called Ancient British. So, Cumbria is, after Cornwall, the English county with the most significant "Celtic" influence in terms of history and linguistic traces but it also has Scandinavian, Irish, Scottish, and now Pakistani, Indian, Chinese and all sorts of other influences.
1939:"After the Jacobite Risings of the eighteenth century, Cumberland became a more stable place and, as in the rest of Northern England, the Industrial Revolution caused a large growth in urban populations. In particular, the west-coast towns of Workington, Millom and Barrow-in-Furness saw large iron and steel mills develop, with Barrow also developing a significant shipbuilding industry. Kendal, Keswick and Carlisle all became mill towns, with textiles, pencils and biscuits among the products manufactured in the region. The early nineteenth century saw the county gain fame as the Lake Poets and other artists of the Romantic movement, such as William Wordsworth and Samuel Taylor Coleridge, lived among, and were inspired by, the lakes and mountains of the region. Later, the children's writer Beatrix Potter also wrote in the region and became a major landowner, granting much of her property to the National Trust on her death. In turn, the large amount of land owned by the National Trust assisted in the formation of the Lake District National Park in 1951, which remains the largest National Park in England and has come to dominate the identity and economy of the county." 1428:
one of the last areas of self-rule for the Britons and is very important for linguistic, archaeological and genetic studies. There is currently no Wiki article to discuss this older historic use of the term, and I believe that one is needed. It's certainly what I was looking for when I came across this site. Also, that would be the place where the Celtic/Nordic/Anglo-Saxon influence discussion could be explored more effectively. (Hint: Many different peoples can contribute to the same region. One might be dominant politically, another economically, another genetically, another linguistically, another religiously, etc. But each of them have descendants who squabble over their legacy in the most petty terms in the 21st century.)
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only one of the new counties that were established in the early 70s that has stood the test of time". While I'm not certain if this is notable enough to actually include in the article (personally I'm inclined to say yes, but I'm open to counter-arguments), I thought it important to point this out in the context of discussions on this page. A lot of the arguments above seem to argue which parts of Cumbrian heritage are actually specific to the subdivisions, but its equally important to remember that if the region that is now the County of Cumbria didn't share a common heritage then it probably wouldn't have remained intact as an administrative and cultural unit.
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presumably being written in the 2000's. As noted in that much better sourced section, the attempt wasn't particularly successful and as such isn't notable enough to deserve such a prominent spot on this article. While this could be partially remedied by moving it further down the page, the lack of success with said revival suggests that it is much better to remove the section and leave it to be covered on the
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references for no reason that I can see. Its incorrect to refer to pre-1974 Cumbria as Cumberland, for exactly the reasons I outlined above: Kendal was part of either Kendal or Westmorland, and Barrow is part of the area that rebelled against the Crown and so ended up getting annexed into the Royal Duchy of Lancaster. Do you want me to provide references for these towns not being part of Cumberland?
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Category:Natives of Cumbria and remove the people from the places of intrest section - they don't mix very well! Turn the settlements section into a summary of the main towns and cities; the list goes on List of places in Cumbria Add icons to the places of interes list using Template:EngPlacesKey Populate Category:Villages in Cumbria Add photos to the Cumbria images gallery
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There are plenty of Roman dedications in the region but none but the two cited have any suggestion of Carvetian associations. Even appending "Carvetiorum" to Magnis on the basis of the name Carvoran (and as a Celtic scholar you'll be aware how unsafe that is) which is over the border in Northumberland really doesn't extend the region that much.
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heritage but in Cumbria, they have remained stronger due to a lesser influence from subsequent invasions of Britain. It is also not to the detriment of Cumbria or the Celtic countries that all of England retains a Celtic heritage. If anything, this heritage should be better identified. I have backed up my
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to provide published statements that support their theory that eg. the cumberland/westmorland method of wrestling is not sufficiently uniquely celtic in style for it to be accredited to Cumbria's (or indeed Britain's) celtic history, (as you have offered to provide published evidence for the idea that they
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by the welsh). BUT, there are those that would argue that the influx of Norwegian and Danish Vikings and the spread of Anglo-Saxon culture means that while it may have survived as a celtic nation for the longest (alongside cornwall), this does not mean that it has the strongest celtic tradition surviving
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As the legacy Cumbrian newspapers attempt to supplement their falling print readership using social media, such as the Herald's 'Cumbria Crack', new non-print outlets reach significantly more Cumbrian's with news and related services like events and traffic warnings. The media section of this article
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The choice to list both John Woodcock and Rory Stewart as independents in the politics section seems odd to me as neither of these men ever won an election as an independent. The way the section is organised at the moment may give readers the false impression that these MPs were independent for their
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In addition, as you pointed out, the Metropolitan counties lost their county councils in 1986 so they haven't really withstood the test of time: if the local districts had been rearranged then that is one thing, but a removal of county-level government pretty much makes the county obsolete as a local
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First, Cambridgeshire, Suffolk and Lincolnshire aren't new counties: they are old counties reformulated with adjusted borders. Apparently, the new counties were Avon, Cleveland, Cumbria, Hereford and Worcester, and Humberside: out of these, only Cumbria wasn't abolished in 1996 (Avon was split into 4
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Even if we accept that the inscription lost in the 17th Century did indeed say SEN IN C CARVETIOR and this did indeed mean a civitas of the Carvetii and that R P C CAR does indeed stand for Res Publicae Civitas Carvetiorum, we still have no idea where the boundaries were because which towns and forts
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the figures on this article are a bit odd - they don't add up. the total population is less than all of the districts added up, both sets of figures from this article. The actual town stats as well appear to be unreferenced, and are different to what a source says - that source being the Cumbria Fire
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land' from the late 1700s/ early 1800s. So though common usage now is 'Westmorland', 'Westmoreland' is acceptable, just:-). Anyway, Westmorland's a nasty place, seeing its so far down south and full of large puddles I hear. Folk should come to Carlisle for their holidays . . .:-) (now that certainly
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Celtic culture is very prominant in Cumbria where as in other parts of England it is not so. Peculiar Cumbrian traditions such as Cumbrian wrestling and cheese rolling, in addition to Cumbric counting, coupled with visible elements of Celtic crosses and passed down legends in mythology and fable also
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Something interesting that I read while checking common use for Lancashire Over the Sands vs Lancashire North of the Sands was that despite how Cumbria was only created in 1974, there must be some common basis for the county since it has survived intact since then: specifically, that "Cumbria is the
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I don't think it is that simple. Cumberland and Cumbria are not the same (as you are aware). What do the sources that support this article say? If they talk about Cumberland and mean Cumberland, then it is wrong to say Cumbria, because that would mean the article includes (by inference) Westmorland,
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article giving rise to the idea that there was a civitas, but not one of the Roman Temple dedications at Brougham... anyway, not really important now - my issue was with an earlier contributor saying that this (probable) civitas could be shown to have had boundaries which matched those of the modern
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It's good that you are at least aware of the multiple examples of the civitas Carvetiorum mentioned in CIL 7, 325/RIB-1, 933 (Old Penrith), RIB-3, 3525/AE 1965, 219a/AE 2005, 921 (Brougham), and RIB-3, 3526/AE 2005, 922 (Langwathby); it doesn't matter that we don't know the precise boundaries - it's
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Not at all; firstly the Brougham inscriptions make no mention of the Carvetii, they are memorials and dedications to Mars and Belatucadros and secondly all the inscriptions, Penrith, Brougham, Langwathby and Temple Sowerby are all within 10 miles of each other, as you will see if you look at a map.
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This article focuses on Cumbria, the modern political entity, and fails to address in any detail the history and signficance of the pre-existing usage of the name Cumbria, though the article does allude to that older and broader meaning of the term. In fact, Cumbria is akin to Wales and Cornwall as
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I also removed the reference to sheep count, although this is Celtic, it is not a remnant of the Cumbric language. It derives from a Welsh migration to the North of England in IIRC the 14 th century. It is not unique to Cumbria (it was found all across the North and North Midlands), to my knowledge
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You've done well so far on providing evidence to back up the suggestion that these cultural traditions are Celtic (the traces of cumbric in the cumbrian dialect, the existance of Rheged as the Celtic kingdom in England that lasted the longest against viking incursion, and the name given to the area
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based on a balence between the two opinions. There are obviously those here who do not believe that those traditions in Cumbria are necessarily different enough from, for example, anglo-saxon traditions, or viking, for it to merit them being accredited to the nations Celtic past. If they are able
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You don't know what you are talking about - but hey, don't let that stop you from pretending that you are some sort of expert (I am getting so sick of people like you on Knowledge!!). Here is the expanded Brougham inscription according to Roman Inscriptions of Britain III and L'Année épigraphique
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I think you went too far GordyB. The article describes the significance of Norse contribution both liguistically and genetically, but that does not mean the Celtic influence is insignificant. You might as well argue that the Celtic character of Dublin is overstated because we know it was actually
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Ok, lets leave sheep counting until someone's had a chance to examine the sources properly. I too have read some that say it has spread as far south as shropshire (though being close to the Welsh border that's not wholly surprising), but I'll do my best now to expand the wrestling section of the
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It would seem that there is a fairly balenced argument for both, and I'm certain we will find the same with other aspects of cumbrian culture. (including the sheep counting method. I found a source that demonstrates how it would be impossible for it to have developed out of welsh as the higher
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it is simply Knowledge policy, as there are bound to be those who hold a differing opinion, I recommend that we supply sources where we can for each perspective which then can be cited within the article. This is the next step to improving the quality of the article to a high standard, which is,
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That's very nobel Ammi and I see what you're trying to do, but that is actually watering down a truth. These things ARE Celtic, HAVE remained from the Celtic past. That Cumbria is not in Scotland or Wales doesn't mean that such things must be brought into question. All of Britain has a Celtic
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Cumbria is mulicultural really. I know people who live here who have all sorts of ancestry. Most if not all would express their nationality as English or British. However we must recognise there is Scandinavian influence in terms of place-names particularly and some archaeological remains (e.g.
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Social media following is publicly available, as are search engine rankings for search terms that relate to news and the services they provide. Then there's the declared reach of media companies which are publish for advertisers, although not always accurate. The Herdwick News (included in the
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I'm surprised to see it listed as one of the most celtic areas of England. I just saw the BBC series Blood of the Vikings and it said penrith, cumbria, had some of the highest amounts of norwegian viking blood in Britian. Just looked at it on the map and although im no expert id say names like
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I propose deleting this section, both because it is a stub and because the actual event was relatively insignificant: I can't be certain due to lack of references, but based on the description and the phrase book linked this is the event referred to, with the section on the Cumbria article
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There aren't any references that support this section, it was seemingly grandfathered in. Looking at the history page, the reason it says Cumberland now is exactly what I thought it was: a user called Plumitife went in on the 6th of August 2013 and changed Cumbria to Cumberland for pre-1974
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I must admit I am somewhat biased in this regard, being a native of Westmorland, but the history section seems to heavily imply that Cumbria is a successor solely to Cumberland rather than an amalgamation of a number of areas (despite stating that at the start). In particular, the paragraph
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Summary history section with su-page at History of Cumbria Physical geography section, including geology, landscape, ecology and climate, with possible sub-page at Geology of Cumbria Tourism section, and possibly industry and culture sections as well, with sub-pages if neccesary Populate
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which might not be the case. You have identified a problem with the article, but the solution is possibly a bit more complex than swapping one word for another. It needs checking the original references(or finding new ones) and ensuring that the article accurately represents what they say.
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in any case, and that would be counter to Knowledge's content policies. A reliable source (which in this case should also be a secondary source) would be something like a newspaper article, a book from a reputable publisher, etc. We could make an addition based on something like that.
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Actually that is not strictly true as the Metropolitan counties that were formed in 1974 still exist though they no longer have county councils as does North Yorkshire (though its boundaries are now different to 1974) and the "new counties" of Cambridgeshire, Suffolk and Lincolnshire.
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You also keep inserting 'Cumbria is one of the most Celtic areas of England' as if this was a fact. It is an opinion and one that is not sourced i.e. exactly who considers Cumbria to be Celtic. Even Celtic nationalist groups very rarely make this claim. Try putting something less
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For information, the suppression of revert of today (about "ethnicity" statistics) are presently subject of debate on the French-speaking Village pump fr:Knowledge:Le Bistro. Refer there if you want to understand what happened. --French Tourist 18:06, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)
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Jesus, the timeline reads like a catalogue of disasters! Can someone add some balance with positive events from the last 30 years? I don't know Cumbria well enough to have anything off the top of my head, but some Cumbria experts must know plenty that can be added?
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Something is wrong somewhere; on this page it says the population of Workington is 25,000, but on the Workington page it is about 10,000 more, which would place Workington higher on the list at 4th instead of 5th. Anyone have the exact figures so we can check this?
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Generally speaking, the lead demography/government paragraph covers the current administrative situation and borders, rather than their history. Some counties, particularly the post-1974 ones, mention when the county was formed at the end of this paragraph (e.g.
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I've left the reference to Celtic words in Cumbrian dialect for now. The separate article on Cumbrian dialect does not mention a Celtic influence and I do not know any Cumbrian words that did come from Cumbric. This needs to be substantiated or I will remove it.
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Where did the 'official' flag come from? As far as I was aware Cumbria had no official flag. I'm a Cumbrian and have never clapped eyes on what is at the top of the page or what is shown in the local government website article which the file links to.
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Hang on a minute, the term 'Cumbrian' was used to denote people or things from Cumberland long before the new administrative county of Cumbria was formed in 1974. A Cumberland Sausage was and is a Cumberland Sausage, but was and is eaten by Cumbrians!
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unitary authorities, Cleveland's boroughs became unitary authorities and the rest was annexed by other counties, Hereford and Worcester split into separate counties for Hereford and Worcester, and Humberside was split into 4 unitary authorities).
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Cumbrian and Westmoralnd wresting, again, is this really Celtic? Greeks wrestle, Romans wrestle - don't you think Anglo-Saxons and Norwegans wrestled as well. This needs to be substantiated as Celtic before being put in the same
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government unit in my opinion (instead, just being a umbrella for local government units to cooperate within). North Yorkshire is also another county that isn't really new, but just a reformulation of an old or existing county.
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I've removed this person from the list of notable people, since I was unable to find anybody with this name and title. Anyone else ever heard of him, and have references for why he is notable enough for inclusion here?
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I agree that the article probably needs a rewrite, and I've started adding references to it so it is better sourced, but reversing the change from Cumbria to Cumberland seems a relatively easy fix in the interim.
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It's pointless trying to categorise Cumbrians into Celtic / Anglo-Saxon or Norse. If you asked one which one they were they would look at like you were mad and reply that they were Cumbrian / English / Borders or
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And somebody else removed my talk page explanation of the removal. Cumbria is not Celtic, all the 'peculiar Celtic tradition' aren't Celtic at all or to be found all over England. THis statement is highly POV and
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styles. However their server is down so I cannot cite it until it is repaired. Nevertheless, it demonstrates that its origin is a matter of debate). It is important that both views are expressed on this page.
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does not reflect the actual media landscape in Cumbria. I propose adding the most significant of these new media players to the article. If any editors would like to propose new media players please do so.
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According to the infobox the ceremonial county and the non-metropolitan county have different populations and different areas, even though they have identical boundaries. These figures need reconciling.
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This is better though I'd say with sheep count that it is too widespread to be Cumbric unless it survived all across the North and Morth Midlands. One site I read said that it was found in Derbyshire.
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on this article at the present would most likely say that it cites too few sources and does not contain a balence of multiple points of view, so it is where we should be trying to head anyway.
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I live here too and "azure a cross argent" seems to be increasingly used as the Cumbrian flag. Surely the banner of the county council arms is the flag of the council, not the county itself.
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is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Knowledge policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
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I removed references to the Cumbric influence on Cumbrian dialect. No justification for this was given and the Cumbrian dialect article states that most dialect words are of Norse origin.
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Given that Cumbria will be abolished in 18 months' time, perhaps pages should be set up for the new areas: Cumberland (distinct from the traditional county) and Westmorland and Furness?
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I see someone has removed the statement about Cumbria remaining Celtic. That Cumbria acknowledges a Celtic heritage from festival to sport and tradition is a strong indicator of this
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lay within Carvetian territory is not recorded anywhere at all. Any statement that the boundaries closely corresponded to those of the Cumbria created in 1974 is blind supposition.
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Surely the Cumbric language should be mentioned somewhere here? It was a distinct language centred on Cumbria until at least the 12th century. Certainly part of Cumbria's history.
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is still a Cumberland Sausage regardless of whether the county is Cumbria or not. I would suggest a few changes need to be made to correct these Cumbria / Cumberland references. --
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I moved the following links here from the EL section. These might serve as good sources for article content but they are not appropriate for the external links section:
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of the cultural revolution of the county. Do you have any suggestions as to where you could find sources for your statements to continue to strengthen your argument?
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Good point. Any such references I come across I'll make a point of changing them. Cumberland still exists, but the local authorities would have us believe otherwise.
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ulverston and millnthorpe, thursby, possibly Ullswater, threllkeld are very norse (thor). Also on the program it said some of the local dialect used norse words.....
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article) has a Facebook page following of 2,600 while Penrith Town (not included in the article) has 6,200. Is there a particular metric you would recommend?
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Hi, sorry, i'm new to wiki, so please pardon me if i haven't done this correctly. I noticed the motto for Cumbria as shown in the Escut_Cumbria.png reads
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Cumbria is a relatively new county and references to old traditions which have originally been placed as Cumberland don't automatically become Cumbrian! A
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I'm pretty sure that the new Northants authorities had pages well before coming into existence? People will want to know about this in advance, surely?
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Usually best to wait till they officially become abolished as then it will be official. Until then these districts and boroughs are still in existence.
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Celtic is not a 'blood' categorisation. There are lots of Viking names in Cumbria as there are Celtic names. One does not detract from the other.
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This source says that whilst Cornish wrestling is Celtic, Cumberland and Westmorland wrestling is probably of Viking origin, there is also
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to link to that article with no need for the extra ]. My edit to that effect has been reverted, but I am not getting into an edit war. --
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and also Dating Brittonic Place-names in Southern Scotland and Cumbria by Alan G. James in the Journal of Scottish Name Studies, Vol 5.
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We should not go by Facebook followers and such, since these statistics are easily game-able. Comparing metrics is going to tend toward
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More to the point, Keswick isn't on the top 12 list, but I'm fairly sure it has a population greater than 3000 (the lowest on there). -
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come from a Celtic origin) then they would be justified in wanting both perspectives to be applied to the argument. It is in no way
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Thanks for the research into the origins of this. Makes a rewrite look even more urgent - and I get the logic of your original edit.
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Having had no response to my initial query I have gone ahead and changed the party designations of John Woodcock and Rory Stewart.
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The sausage is Cumberland, the dialect is Cumbrian, the wrestling is Cumberland & Westmoreland. Now I'll hoy this back to you.
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entire time as MPs and so I suggest that the section be changed to show Rory Stewart as Conservative and John Woodcock as Labour.
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Workington A.F.C. should not be stated as Workington Reds. We are "the reds" but we use our Sunday best name here, thank you.
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Commons:Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems#Edit-warring to remove_Cumbria from geographical categorization?
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Can we please add a picture of Carlisle castle to this page, as it is a fantastic land mark! what about dixon's chimney.
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Mate. If you think that there is anything remotely Celtic about Cumbria then let's have your source and we'll include it.
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Agreed, we are most definitely NOT celtic in Cumbria. From the dialect to the names it is norse influence all the way.
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I tried to give you the top 5 towns which are 1. Barrow-in-Furness 2. Carlisle 3. Workington 4. Kendal 5. Whitehaven
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Yes but it isn't it important to know what the major settlements are though in order as it would make it easier. (
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perhaps there can be a way of including the information without making it so controversial? Along the lines of
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There seem to be many references to "Cumbrian" things which sound rather like they should be attributed to
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Knowledge policy where there is a disagreement about the veracity of a statement is to try and produce a
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Im not confident that i can edit this page without making a mess so perhaps somebody else should try.
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is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under
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Being a local I have noticed that Egremont is missing from the list of most populated settelements.
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Please give some info on towns, e.g., what are the largest ones and if there are rail connections.
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classes Cumberland/Westmorland wrestling as Celtic, and this source states that backholding is
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Solway Country: Land, Life and Livelihood in the Western Border Region of England and Scotland
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I think there is more than enough for a decent stub for Cumbrian wrestling as its own article.
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And then detail them after that. Perhaps at the end of that section you could mentions that
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out of all the English counties. The length of time doesn't always balence well with the
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It keeps getting deleted because there is a section on towns already in the article
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with minor snippets of actuality, and no doubt other contributors will do the same.
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but have not had the time to do any more than cut and paste, will expand later.
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It's incorrect to refer to anything pre-1974 as Cumbria, as it did not exist.
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