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that McConnell broke a precedent if by precedent, one means Wiktionary Sense #1, which is "An act in the past which may be used as an example to help decide the outcome of similar instances in the future". Using Wiktionary Sense #1, they would mean that the way he acted around Garland which could have been used by him as an example to help decide the outcome of whether to move ahead on Barrett, surely did not. Granting all that, I'm not comfortable using "precedent" because it has two meanings. What is for Wikitionary the second meaning is nevertheless a strong enough meaning that it is how Knowledge itself on its article actually defines it as the primary meaning. When there is ambiguity like that, such that a reader may either wonder which meaning of the word is intended, or actually think it means what WP thinks is the primary meaning, I think there could be an alternative phrase that doesn't potentially invite confusion.
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McConnell is allegedly breaking and this Knowledge sentence is quoting that person because it doesn't think WikiVoice should be used in this case" or does it mean "The WP editors of this page don't think it really is a precedent so they're scare-quoting it." I'm also opposed to using the unadorned word (precedent) because it has a specific meaning (
245:, there's two different pertinent definitions: is the one our page is about and what you seem to be referencing, but there's also , which is the non-legal sense. I'd argue that what we're talking about here is the non-legal sense, and since reliable sources use it, I'm comfortable with us doing the same. 280:
above which you cited as "establish the existence of the precedent". The article doesn't use the word "precedent" though (that I see; might be blind). And there might be other RS that do use the actual word "precedent". If that's the case, noting those RSes would establish that plenty of RSes believe
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I'm opposed to both positions. I don't think it makes sense to use scare quotes around "precedent" because doing so makes it unclear to the reader just what those quotation marks mean. Do the scare quotes mean "someone, somewhere, in some reliable source used the word 'precedent' to describe what
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In this article, Chuck Schumer is quoted as saying: “"The American people should have a voice in the selection of their next Supreme Court Justice. Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new president.” Then it is said that this is a quote,
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Boston.com may have put the word 'precedent' in quotes because that was the exact word that Markey used. If so, they took care to avoid the appearance that that was their choice of word, or that in their judgment McConnell's action actually
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case..." There should be a phrase or word to describe what McConnell did do that characterizes how his Garland attitude differed from his Barrett attitude but I don't think the word "precedent" does the trick, with or without scare quotes.
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reverted my edits, insisting that the existing references supplied do show Mitch McConnell as saying those words verbatim. However, this misunderstands the meaning of "verbatim". The two existing references are
131:, of something that Mitch McConnell said. However, the two references supplied do not support that. I tried to correct this by supplying an appropriate reference showing McConnell saying those exact words but 59: 141: 172: 47: 17: 137: 219:) which doesn't clearly apply to what McConnell did. Specifically, WP defines the word to mean, "A precedent is a principle or rule established in a previous 82: 365: 91: 277: 176: 339: 290: 263: 233: 208: 156: 115: 99: 171:
and I disagree about whether or not to use scare quotes around the word "precedent" regarding Merrick Garland. I, as I
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I’ve done all I can do. It is a very minor matter. If there is anybody else who cares about this I leave it to you. —
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to introduce the scare quotes anyways, edit warring when I reverted to the status quo. Could others please weigh in?
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would like this article to establish. Doing so is not supported by the source. —
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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constituted a precedent, which is the understanding that
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What if we just quote the source directly, like this:
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Talk:Amy Coney Barrett Supreme Court nomination
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Archive 1
Archive 2
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=116&session=2&vote=00224
unsigned
24.218.139.235
talk
04:05, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Swood100
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14:22, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Sdkb
this one
this one
Swood100
talk
23:41, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
Swood100
have argued above
CNN
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Sdkb
17:43, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Precedent
Novellasyes

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