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I have searched other Idol spoiler sites (American Idol Net, The Idol Pad) and have found no such information on any spoilers or contestant song choices. Further to this, there have been 2 different "results" posted in the past few days. Both have different songs listed and different advancing contestants. I question whether
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are in no way controversies and are not even encylopedic. One is Clay Aiken simply complaining that the judges are boring. Big deal. The other is some guy for tvline.com complaining about viewers not being able to vote until later in the season, and includes an unbelievably long quote from the guy.
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