258:. In each case the cover version did very well. The amount of info for the cover version in those song article's is equal to (and in the case of I Will Always Love You, far exceeds) the Madonna coverage in this one. Richhoncho has already pointed this out. This article is about the song, not just Don McLean's version, but ALL versions. In each of these cases, the cover version was more popular on the charts than the original. That's not the case for Let It Be, Hotel California and The Devil Went Down to Georgia.
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Madonna version has 37 references, the version was top of the charts in a half dozen countries, and was certified gold or platinum in nearly as many. However, the very lead of this article indicates that this version is about the McLean song, not about the song in general. My recent attempt to BE BOLD by drastically reducing the content was rightly reverted by
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Madonna content (like 90%... really?) in order to make McLean's more dominant on this page. But actually the case is that it must be McLean content should be improved. Moving Madonna
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I said worldwide, US is not the world. McLean's version did not hold a candle to the immense popularity
Madonna's had. McLean's only reached number one in the US and was a success there. I'm not going to delve into a fan war here, but I call a spade a spade. McLean's version has immense critical
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Moot discussion then Manway. The separation of cover versions from their parent articles have been deemed unworthy in a previous consensus. you cannot just try to achieve a consensus here and then leave it at that without a precedence. I suggest you find the correct avenue for doing this then.
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The picture should be removed, prose about *the song* should be expanded (it's a significant song, and this is a short article), and prose about
Madonna's cover should be reduced by about half. My opinion, it's just too bad that consensus in pop culture seems to lean towards ephemera.
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January 1972 for four weeks on the Hot 100. It was also the number 3 song of the year. Madonna's version was number one of the Dance Charts, but barely cracked top 30 on the Hot 100. It didn't even place in Billboard's year end top 100.
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