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British rock/pop. Anathema are not doom-"metal" anymore ,but one band who incorporated a strong Black Sabbath-influence and soft alternative/progressive rock/pop. This is a reason why I considered Anathema to the one part of doom metal/rock-scene. And when Anathema start the playing, they playing a Traditional doom metal and mix it with death metal influences, but they were more Traditional doomy metal than other death/doom groups at this time. Anathema owns their unique sabbathique sound.
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There's: -They Die 7" (1992 7" Witchhunt Records) with "They Die" on the A side and "Crestfallen" on the B side; -We Are the Bible (1994 7" VILECC6) with "Nailed to the Cross / 666" on the A side and "Eternal Rise of the Sun" on the B side.
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