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Australian act and all acts including overseas acts does not belong in the article seems ridiculous to me. Surely an article about a song should have information about its chart success, and being the highest selling song in a whole decade is a very impressive thing. Removing it from the article would be removing very notable information about the song. The only people I can think of who would object to that information being in the article are Anthony Callea and or some of his fans, as his song was long thought to be the highest seller until ARIA published their End of Decade Charts.
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Sebastian was with BMG for the first year after Idol, and when it merged with Sony new artist websites were created. The information on his site only goes back to June 2005and I have never been able to find charts for those countries online. It will be very difficult to get this article up to the standard it should be to keep its Good
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No worring Till I Go Home. I see what you mean now. I just flew off the handle because I have been trying to get references to Anthony Callea having the highest selling single removed off his articles, but they keep sneaking back in. You are right, mentioning it is the highest seller with the
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