381:, opera non meno rimarchevole della prima, e che ebbe il medesimo successo. Istruitissimo nella sua arte, appassionato per il genere che aveva adottato, avendo viaggiato con vantaggio e disegnato i siti più interessanti delle contrade che aveva percorse, era giunto a formare con questo mezzo una collezione bellissima e curiosissima di disegni. Questa collezione, ed in generale tutte le opere di Ducros, sono molto ricercate in Svizzera, in Germania ed in Inghilterra, ove sono più conosciute che in Francia. Ha dato, oltre le vedute che abbiamo di già citate :
419:, a work no less remarkable than the former, and equally successful. Well-educated in his art, passionate about the genre he had adopted, having travelled extensively and drawn the most interesting sites of the countries he had travelled through, he had come to form a beautiful and very peculiar collection of drawings. This collection, and, in general, all the works of Ducros, are much sought after in Switzerland, Germany and England, where they are better known than in France. In addition to the views we have already mentioned, he has produced:
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Let's not forget that Pietro Ducros is rumoured to have produced 24 prints of Sicily and Malta (date unclear), while Louis, having been twice in his life for an extended period in Sicily and Malta, has produced a remarkably large portfolio of watercolours and prints, all nicely kept at the great art
373:. Ambedue intrapresero di dare una collezione di vedute di Roma e delle belle campagne che circondano quella città . La loro intrapresa ottenne il più brillante successo, e Ducros acquistò la riputazione di un eccellente paesista e di un abile incisore. Si unì egualmente con un artista romano,
405:, landscape painter and engraver, was born in Switzerland in 1745. After having acquired enough knowledge in his art to feel the need to increase it, and to perfect his talent as a painter and as an engraver, he went to Italy and soon settled in Rome, where he became friends with
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922:), in 1748, and died on 18 February 1810 in Lausanne, (i.e. the same month, year and location) with an interpellingly similar course of life mostly spent in Italy, doing a similar type of job, at the same time, with the same engravers (e.g. Volpato)?
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What are the odds of these two Swiss painters-engravers, being in Italy over the same long period of time, reputedly having both collaborated with the same artists and publishers, e.g.
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421:"View of Palermo, taken from Monreale"; "View of the Theatre of Tauromina"; "View of Mount Etna"; "View of the Amphitheatre of Syracuse"; "View of the Interior of the City of Messina"
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1785 is about a decade after A-L-R Ducros first set foot in Rome, so halfway his Roman period, so a very early source!
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From Volpato and Pietro Ducros I've been unlucky enough to find not a single signed one till now... Any help out there?
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