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I oppose the merger of NACIL (or AIL) destinations into Air India destinations for the reason that even after IC is completely merged into AI to become a single airline, AI cargo, AI Express and AI regional which are part of NACIL (now AIL) will remain as separate airlines. What should be done after
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I think everyone here has agreed that NACIL and Air India pages need to be merged. Also, NACIL company was dissolved and is now called Air India. So we need to merge NACIL into Air India. AI Express, AI Regional and AI Cargo are subsidiaries of Air India. NACIL does not exist anymore. See
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