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WHy is this page protected, like homelessness, and me censored? If you think that my points are so well laid out that it might acutally get a liberal or a socialist to start to think for the first time in their life, why don't you rewrite all my points in a subtle manner, like the other writers did
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that it was undergrad. Then, we could take further guesses on whether "goverment" is considered science or liberal arts. The point is, though, that Bush's educational career clearly outstrips Gore's -- despite
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I haven't followed this debate, but the controversies clearly belong in this article, preferably in the sections where the historical events they relate to are discussed (and with an even level of detail throughout). Having separate controversies articles is increasingly recognized as POV, and the
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OK, finally got my promised rewrite done. There are probably parts that edge off NPOV, but I make no apologies. The prior Gore piece had a number of strong ideological slants, and I did a lot of fact checking for my rewrite. This may not be purely NPOV but it's way fairer than it was before. I
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Delete, as it stands now. This article has potential, but it is currently a mess. If I were grading this as a paper, I'd give it a D. It is formatted poorly and organized weakly. It quotes items second and third hand without citing references. Parts were paraphrased from other sites. Its title is
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I haven't researched Gore's education at all, but based on the article as it is at the moment, I can't even verify that he completed a bachelor's degree, much less what sort of degree it is. At a minimum, please indicate what degree(s) he did earn and from what universities; whether those degrees
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The last sentence of your second paragraph can be avoided because it is basically a summary of your first paragraph, which is a listing of all the major speeches he made. Just find the first link for "2003 invasion of Iraq" to see what I'm talking about. There's no need to mention things twice.
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Operation Desert Fox are under different cirumstances. Desert Fox was not a full-fledged invasion and had UN backing and support. Therefore, it's not entirely illogicial for him to support one but not the other. If there's irony, the irony must be explcicit, but I dont see it.
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I don't know. I suspect it's BS (wink), because all 4 sites I cited used the same wording -- one copying the other, no doubt. No, seriously, it's unclear whether the "honors" degree was undergraduate or graduate -- although generally postgraduate degrees name the School (like
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cum laude while "rarely" doing better than C's and D's. All the other citations on conservative magazines and websites appear to be echo chamber ramblings. For some rare actual facts, see the following:
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Time to stop being a jerk, K. Lee. I added the information minutes after they made a HUGE deal about it on CNN. I don't give a rats ass if its here or it isn't.
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and her prescription drugs cost about $ 250 a month, which certainly means that prescription drug costs constituted a large portion of her small income.
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