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The debate on whether the autopsied body is a very realistic mannequin, a girl with a genetic disorder (such as progeria or Turner's syndrome), or a real alien is still going on. It is also questionable whether the film material and the equipments and objects in the autopsy room actually date to the
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sides of the arguement the best we can say is that a lot of people consider this a hoax but
Santilli claims there are tiny parts of the original footage mixed in with a "reconstruction" of it that he created. Unless someone can poke holes in his version of the story that is the best we can say. (
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I acknowlede that the name "alien autopsy" is commonly attached to this ridiculous affair, and that "Alien autopsy" might be the correct name for the article. That said, and without wishing to sound pedantic, I think that the terms
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