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I've gone through again for material on its status as a concept album, and see only a denial rather than a summary of what sources say about it as a concept album. The first
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I've made some additional changes to the article. I've still got to re-read the "Classic Rock" article again for it can offer, as it's much more recent it should be good for offering anything on the album's legacy or influence. In the interim, how are the new additions looking?
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