Talk:Avengers: Age of Ultron/Archive 1

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to be notable aspects of the film's pre-production process, as they come in somewhat arbitrarily. Mark Ruffalo tweeting that he'd be back in March 2013 and Deadline confirming that Evans would be back in an article about a different film seem irrelevant to this film's production. It's not as though those actors signed new contracts around those dates or that their commitment to the film changed on those dates. And we're bound to have another half-dozen or so of these types of "confirmations". It seems to me that including those actors in the cast section with those references is enough.

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likely being used informally. The makers of the film made a choice not to have "2" be in the official title and we should respect that. That goes for all the Marvel sequel articles doing this. I can't think of any other sequel articles on Knowledge that does this kind of thing. That's because we flat out say it's the sequel in the lead. People aren't stupid, they'll figure it out. --

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such things. What's more likely - IGN is privy to information a source like Deadline isn't and Marvel has not yet made public, or IGN, assuming as we all do that the entire cast will return, listed Hemsworth with other actors confirmed to return without double checking their sources? I'm inclined to believe the latter.

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Just wondering. Do we consider it necessary to note every time an actor from the first film's return is confirmed in the pre-production section? It's good to have those references and wait until that confirmation before adding them to the cast section of the page. But these confirmations don't appear

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I agree, I find it strange, especially as there have been reports that Hemsworth was in two minds about signing up, that Marvel wouldn't unveil it in a press release, or at least a joint one for Chris Evans too, seen as they are the leads, instead of just having it as a small add on of the casting of

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They're just shortening it even when they go out of their way to refer to the first film by its full name every single time? No, I'm not buying it. That James Spader press release and the different ways they wrote the two films' titles pretty much settled it for me. I can wait, but how many more does

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Yeah, I almost made this an actual request move (still might eventually). It just seems to me "Avengers: Age of Ultron" is by far the common name, at least when it comes to official sources, and that the guy who wrote that first announcement probably just screwed up since it's the only time it's ever

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Hmm. Definitely something to look into. I wouldn't be too rash at the moment, as we will still be getting more press info officially from Marvel. I would say look to third party sources, but their stylings are all different across the board, so they aren't much help. I do see what you are saying, and

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With the recent additions of Hemsworth and Taylor, it seems some sources are playing fast and loose with their information. We should scrutinize these more before adding them to the article. It would seem, especially in the case of Taylor, that the trades would pick this up not a passing mention on a

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There is no 25 reference rule just something we used in the past but I'm beginning to think we can afford to wait for more considering the media attention this film is getting and the fact that we're still a year away from when filming is scheduled to begin. Although the media attention might make it

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The scans more than likely would be used for rendering a CGI model based on Spader's appearance. This model could be animated through the motion capture process or rendered traditionally in post-production, we don't know. The Hollywood Reporter article even says "Mystery still surrounds exactly what

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Its not just for readers who came here through the redirect but for readers that are already here yet the when they check the source theres no evidence of 'Age of Ultron'. Also we are respecting the filmmakers but also the common vernacular where it is still very much being used. Sequel could be any

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Here's the thing. The news article is about Spader, not Hemsworth, so Hemsworth's involvement being confirmed in an article about Spader is highly irregular. This is especially so when the sources talking about Hemsworth's involvement are not only few but not among the sources that typically confirm

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The source for Scarlett Johansson is not reliable. It just assumes that she will be back, it never contains any information saying that she will definitely be in it. This article obviously just assumes that all cast from the first film will return for the second. A better source is needed before she

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Why are you stuck on the word "confirm"? Flemming made a definitive statement; "I’ve heard Evans plans to direct the movie this fall, completing production before he picks up his shield to play Captain America in The Avengers: Age Of Ultron." In other words; Before Chris Evans picks up his shield to

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After reading the article, it appears that they have new information that nobody else is yet privy to, because of the use of the word "exclusive". The problem is that author then fails to follow it up with how he received this information and precedes directly into giving some backstory about Olsen

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On second thought, I don't it is notable to simply include a report in the production section that we determine is reliable. After all, they could have been cast months earlier. We should only include the report if it pinpoints the timeframe when the actors were brought onboard or makes an official

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I don't understand what you mean by "synthesis" here, but, if these sources do in fact confirm Hemsworth's involvement, it would be entirely different from the confirmation of every other actor that's appeared in a recent Marvel movie. While not all come from press statements Marvel releases to the

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Also, regarding Rusted AutoParts' initial objection, the issue wasn't the article, but the interpretation of the article. Saying Olsen has the acting chops to hang with someone like Hemsworth is not a confirmation that Hemsworth is in the movie. It's that difficult to expand the article because the

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Plus since on Deadline or Collider (not sure which, but I've definitely seen it) there has been a video interview with Evans where he confirms that he is returning, but this MTV article for Scarlett Johansson is mainly about Scarlet Witch, and, as I have mentioned previously, they are just assuming

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This just seems like a typical non-answer from someone trying to dodge a question. I don't think it really enhances anyone's understanding of the film's development, or adds anything to the article. It seems to me like it's enough to note that EW reported that the character will be in the film, and

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The very fact that "The Avengers 2" takes them here should be a pretty big red flag that they've found the right article. So I gotta agree that it serves no purpose in the hatnote. Nor do I think it should be in the lead or anywhere else in the article except for direct quotes where it's more than

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I understand both of your concerns Frog and Waffle, but the wording is acceptable and usable in this case. It is not like previously, where news outlets were using synthesis on their parts, saying actors would return. As far as I know, all signings/confirmations are not always done through a press

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Again, what matters is why did Flemming choose to prequalify his statement with "I've heard" as if to remove any responsibility for making it. Yes, it could be just his writing style but who knows or he could be saying that the information comes from an unofficial source. Though if the information

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That's why I said clarify. I would agree that right now simply calling it a sequel in the article is not clear. And that's all someone using "The Avengers 2" colloquially means anyway. That it's the second Avengers. I don't see the need to make it match exactly with publications who are also just

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Here's the thing. The news article is specifically about Spader. And they also mentioned the returning actors that have already been confirmed. Downey, Evans, Ruffalo and Jackson. Hemsworth was in that group too, with Johansson and Renner still unmentioned (I'm certain Johansson is confirmed, but

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I believe that IGN and Variety are both using something else from Marvel for their confirmation, because the IGN source states: "Marvel Studios made the announcement today, adding that Chris Evans and Chris Hemsworth will also reprise their roles as Captain America and Thor, respectively, for the

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They might not be aware of it... but the hatnote is still not serving a purpose. It doesn't distinguish anything. Your argument that "they might not know The Avengers Age of Ultron is the same film" doesn't make sense, because the hatnote is totally unrelated to that. It's just telling you that

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I had placed this information in the article figuring that Ronan's statement regarding the rumors lent some level of credence to them. That was a bit of a fine line and upon consideration, one that should have required more patience on my part for a formal casting announcement. Chalk it up to

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But am I the only one that finds it suspect that Hemsworth's involvement in the film, especially given that he's one of the main characters, would be "confirmed" by being buried at the end of a story that has nothing to do with him? Also taking into consideration that Marvel released a press

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I am fine with this, if others are. I agree with you Frog (and Triiiple), that it seems many news sites are just jumping on the fact that since it is mentioned that Black Widow is back, so is Johansson, as well as all the previous characters in the last film. As such, I believe that would be

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article and see how often "Star Trek 2" shows up, but it's not in the lead there either. If for whatever reason we do decide to put "The Avengers 2" in the lead on this article it needs to be made clear it's an informal title only and in no way official, no matter how "common" it is. But it

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It's my understanding that they both own the rights to both names, but that they each can only reference certain aspects of the character's history. It is probably worth mentioning, but only when we have reliable sources indicating the specifics of how this influences his role in this film.

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Hmm. I see your point. You are correct that most people searching for this film, may just quickly type Age of Ultron. Also, by having it here, as it is right on top, people may think the film and comic storylines are similar. I believe I added it when the subtitle was first announced, as a

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until then. So, as TriiipleThreat stated, an uninformed reader comes here to search "The Avengers 2" and gets taken to this page, would not know they are the same. And we can't assume they'd stay on the page long enough to see in the second sentence of the lead, "intended sequel to

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Thats because you are aware of what you are looking for. If there are published articles that only refer to the film as The Avengers 2, an uninformed reader might not be aware that The Avengers: Age of Ultron is the same film. Sidenote: the project page discussion has been

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Frog, it seems it's just you and Waffle that have the issue with this. I mean, a source says that they're returning, you immediately question it and remove it. Are you expecting some sort of formal confirmation from Hemsworth or Johansson? Also, they're under contract.

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My understanding was similar to Fandraltastic's: that Marvel was allowed to use the character as long as they didn't reference Magneto or that he was a "mutant". That's why I brought it up. But as everyone is saying, we will have to wait until more info is known for

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and how the first film is always listed as "Marvel's The Avengers" while the new one is always just "Avengers: Age of Ultron". If it does say Marvel's it's always outside the quote marks, unlike the first film which always has it inside the marks. Same with the new

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Actually what we go by is the billing block on the film poster or the end credits. However, if a film has neither of these we can base it on previous films in a series or as you say in chronological order of confirmation. In this case its a mix of the latter

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article, but I wasn't sure if I should add this information to the "Cast" section of this article or not. It is news about this film, but it's news of something not happening. It's not a black-or-white include or not-include situation. What do you think?

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It's a report. If she isn't returning, they wouldn't say "Scarlett Johansson's Black Widow". Chris Evans source is something I question ,yet it remains. For now, let's just leave Evans and Johansson be, as more sources will definetly be on the way.

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that then writes the article about the actor's involvement. Marvel confirming an actor's involvement in a film by just including his name at the very bottom of an article or press release that has nothing to do with that actor is so far unheard

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I agree with TriiipleThreat. It helps to provide basic descriptions here so readers do not have to go elsewhere for clarification. I would think that knowledgeable readers can get through such descriptions easily to get to content new to them.

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Wait, is IGN actually considered a reputable source? The Variety article is the only one that seems to work, but that they are the only one that seems to make any mention of Hemsworth returning might indicate an error on their part. I like the

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announcing the title (although even the title of that article gives it without the "The"), but all the ones after that are different. I really think we need to change it to what the more recent ones show. No "Marvel's" and definitely no "The".

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As stated in the sources, this appears only to be rumor at this point. Unfortunately, these types of films are prone to rumor and speculation. Some pick up traction in the press and a few are even addressed by those involved. However,

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It doesn't mean anything for Avengers, Fox owns the rights to Quicksilver, Marvel owns the rights to Pietro Maximoff, neither can refer to him by the other name. They were saying this back before The Avengers even began production.

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No source has to use the word "confirm", to be considered verifiable. However the information does seem to be based on hearsay due to use of the phrase "I hear". So the questions becomes does the hearsay of reliable source such as

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Can we go ahead and remove Scarlett Johansson from this and the MCU page then, until we get a more reliable source, as it just assumes that she is returning the same way the contact music source assumes all the cast is returning.

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about Elizabeth Olsen's potential involvement. I don't think the source is confirming Hemsworth is involved, they just listed the actors that portrayed the Avengers. If no one can find a better source, I'm taking it off the

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No, I believe what news sources report on needs to be held under some scrutiny. Especially when one news source says something that isn't being reported on much anywhere else. Especially when that one news source is

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This is a very reliable source stating that he will return, and laying out the schedule for his return. Whether or not it comes from his mouth is irrelevant. This is how all film articles have always been handled.

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Agreed, 'known as' could be construed as a title, 'called' is a sobriquet. Also a sequel can be any film in a series, it's not specific enough besides the point is to directly match readers with what is stated in

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film in a series of film so we should be specific, we shouldn't make any assumptions on behalf of the readers. While those familiar with the film might know what we are talking about, those unfamiliar may not.--

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Numerous sources stated Johansson was confirmed to return, yet they were removed, if so many websites were stating a false positive, then they all lose their credibility, something I consider a drastic thought.

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Its more than just a working title, its an everyday title. We use them so when a reliable author or someone affiliated with the film uses the term, readers now what they're talking about. Example: the title for

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release like Spader got. Most of the time, it is how it was presented in the IGN or Variety source. To Rusted, they may be under contract, but that does not necessarily mean they will return in this film. -

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The source is titled "Everything We Know About the Next Marvel Team-Up" the problem is that they don't explain how they came to know this information. I'd prefer to wait for something more official to be

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I still find it odd that IGN is considered a valid source since their name is associated with shaky journalistic integrity, but the issue is not that IGN said it, it's that the usual players in this have

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are going to be looking for information on this film now, and I think a lot of people are going to try creating articles for it if they don't find one. So I think it should be moved to full article now.

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it doesn't mention anything about Hemsworth, and the Variety article still doesn't have any evidence to back up their claims, it is just new site assumption that the leads will all reprise their roles.

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I gotta agree with Taylor, where else would The Avengers 2 be redirecting? If I type in Isidious 2 I expect to be taken to Insidious Chapter 2, I just can't be bothered typing the whole thing out.

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There's also no evidence that The Avengers 2 is the name of the film, given the rest of the films that are subtitled it seems unlikely. If anything it would be moved to United The Avengers Sequel.

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I have always questioned Latino Review's reliability, because they always say they have the "exclusive" but never claim how they got this information, as I know they don't receive exclusives like

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Also, to answer RAP's question, yes, I am expecting some formal confirmation of Hemsworth, Johansson, and every other actor that is involved in this film. It's the standard we've come to expect.

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For the record: I'd prefer it in the lead over a hatenote and there's plenty of was to distinguish it from official title, such as 'commonly called' or 'colloquially called', etc.--

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Yeah, I was going to say what Triiiple did. I think ThorTDW is the only one to examine to change. Should we move this discussion to that talk page? - 05:52, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

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It doesn't even say "Evans confirms he will be back". The main focus is his directorial debut. I feel until he or the makers confirm he is indeed in it, he shouldn't be placed in.

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Can we please add this to the article? Spader will be portraying Ultron rather than them using only his voice, he has stated that in September he went in for all types of scans.

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and Taylor-Johnson. So it all comes down to the reputation of Latino Review, which I would say is weakly reliable at best. I wouldn't mind waiting for a more reliable source.--

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I would like to see it (and any other relevant Marvel titles) edited to match this one. I was personally waiting to see if anyone would contest this change before doing it. --

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is confirmation that Evans will be back. I'm a bit strapped for time so if someone else could add it to the article (and other relevant articles) that would be great. Cheers -

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would be an acceptable title, as that's what the majority of the press are referring to it as, even though I believe it's likely that Marvel will add a subtitle to the film.

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We have to give the readers at least a very basic description of the characters. We cannot expect that they have seen the other films or much less read the other articles.--

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Again, still doesn't mean this is confirmed. All it says is that he's making his directing debut before picking up the shield. There's is not one mention he is confirmed.

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This is not a source, and the dude who wrote the article is only referencing back to his talks with various websites about the character. not an official announcement.

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The headline of Fleming's article unambiguously says Evans is reprising his role in Avengers 2. It doesn't have a rumor or report disclaimer or anything like that.

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are some quotes from Spader. Adding here, because the first set is interesting. Is him talking about the photos and scans and indication that he may actually be

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I know, but this is the fifth time that Johansson has been removed from the list. It's rather annoying if we must wait for a statement from Johansson herself.

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Quick question, the descriptions next to the reoccuring cast like RDJ as Iron Man, are the details necessary since they are basically verbatim from the other

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Screen Crush's source about Taylor-Johnson's casting as Quicksilver comes from Latino Review, which has questionable reliability as noted in this talk page.

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He was not OFFICIALLY announced by anyone at Marvel/The Avengers Cast. He is still in talks to play Quicksilver and is not officially signed on to play him.

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A recent source has confirmed both Jeremy Renner and Aaron Taylor-Johnson to play Hawkeye and Quicksilver, respectively. Don't know if this is just more of

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not manually move the article by copying and pasting it; the page history must be moved along with the article text." I can submit a request to be moved. -

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How about "also known as"? But I think adding it anywhere would be useless. It says right there that it's the intended sequel to the first Avengers.

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I just wanted to say that we all seem to be doing a good job formatting our references. However please try to archive your sources as well. I know

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that all the cast are returning, hence putting Scarlett Johansson's Black Widow, it never actually gives proper confirmation she has signed on.

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film" instead. Though I'm not sure any edit is really needed at the moment. On the Iron Man articles I would see it as a chance to link to the

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it really take to prove that that's just the title and not a "shortening"? They've consistently not used a "The" outside of that one source. --

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does come from an unofficial source, it must be trusted enough for him to report it or he would be jeopardizing his journalistic integrating.--

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can be added to the cast list, otherwise it should just remain in prose that MTV claimed she would return, but that it remains unconfirmed.

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A bit of a history; that information was in the article lead but editors came to a concensus that it would be better served as a hatnote.--

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there isn't a source everyone trusts yet). So with that said, it seems Hemsworth is in as of now. And the verdict is still out on Renner.

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Reading it, the "I've heard" part seems to be related to the mention of directing the film rather than about him taking part in Avengers.

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As far as we could know, This is what Fleming is saying. It might not be what Evans, or Whedon or Feige are saying. Get what I'm saying?

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and click "Archive" at the top of the page, enter the url of the source, your email address and hit "Submit". Its that easy. Thank you.--

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Shouldn't the casting order be from who was confirmed first, to last? That's how it's being molded on CA:TWS, T:TDW, and GOTG pages.

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Yes just saw that. Agree with the redirect templates. But should something be stated, like on The Avengers page, that says (or simply

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I think we should wait a little bit longer as well, as I'm sure it will start gain some more media traction. As for the name, I think

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It's a poor way to do so. It does not say his return is confirmed. The word confirmed is not present, therefore, it's speculative.

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precaution, but now that they are known to be separate storylines, it may not really have a purpose here. But definitely on the

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Maybe so but copy-paste moves are never the answer. In the future, if consensus is that the article is ready, please request a

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Also, per what's being talked about here, and in the discussion above with Spidey, it should most likely add (commonly called

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is going through some hardships (donate if you can) but until they go away, it is still a valuable resource in preventing

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did when they first reported that Saoirse Ronan was Marvel's "prototype" for the character. If so, does this make the

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since the 90's, but I'd be willing to bet there's several thousand people at that one show who'd disagree with you. --

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I disagree, it's used enough in the media and in everyday language to the point it deserves a mention in the lead.--

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Then just change where it says sequel to "second film" or something. "The Avengers 2" is wrong and not necessary. --

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should be added back to the lead, either one. It should stay because it was known since the reveal of the sequel as

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Actually there is a hatnote on that page, but that's because there's possible confusion there. There isn't here. --

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Well, IGN is a reliable source, so it's safe to say that we have a valid source, not some small time news agency.

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Is this really necessary in the lead? It has a title now, so there is no need to refer to it by the provisional "

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I believe that is simply Fleming's "informal" style of writing, as he starts many of his articles like that (Ex.

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As in what.. give me an example as to how a method other than Motion Capture won't be done with James Spader?

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definitely doesn't belong as a hatnote if there's no other article to confuse it with. (For example the one at

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was merely covering a published story and wouldn't be privy to new information not published in the original.--

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more notable now, it just seems 25 references isn't what it used to be for these types of film. I don't know.--

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Very well, but since THR doesn't independently confirm anything about Ronan, we should leave it out for now.--

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I agree. I strongly believe that alternate informal titles belong as redirects only. Plenty of people called

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is absolutely fine. It has a purpose because there's another movie actually called "Captain America II".) --

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Which means it has no place in the lead. Otherwise why not list informal alternate titles for every film --

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But the numerical was used purely as a placeholder until the title was revealed. We have a redirect from

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Well, definitely not IGN. But reading a source wrong has no bearing on how reliable it is. Regardless,

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I believe one has been added, the USA Today source. If not, the IGN article on Spader confirms it. -

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confirms Hemsworth will be back in their Spader story, that's probably a stronger source than IGN. -

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http://www.thewrap.com/aaron-taylor-johnson-closes-deal-join-marvels-avengers-age-ultron-exclusive/

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something redirects here - not that "The Avengers 2" is the same as "The Avengers: Age of Ultron."

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So basically, you believe news sites aren't allowed to state whether or not an actor is returning?

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was doing there own reporting on Evans and could easily find out additional information, whereas

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If that's what you keep reading, I think the issue isn't with the sources but how you read them.

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Surely an article about a picture which hasn't even been made yet can only be an advertisement?

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Is there anything else to add to this discussion? It seems consensus is to include the info. -

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I see your point. It is already stated the its a draft, and by definition drafts can change.--

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statement as recent as yesterday that makes no mention whatsoever of Hemsworth returning for

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There is no "the" in the title of the film. It is simply titled, "Avengers: Age of Ultron".

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No, it's what you feel is more trusting. If IGN or Variety aren't reliable, than what is?

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why is the article's title only "The Avengers: Age of Ultron" (and why is the article for

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With the recent announcement of the full title and the villain for the film it is getting

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After a quick google news search, I dont see that it is being used to the same extent.--

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In that case shouldn't SLJ be credited last? He's always gets the "and" at the end. --

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article. For example on the Iron Man 3 article it could be changed to "It is the third

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Aaron Taylor-Johnson has OFFICIALLY been casted as Quicksilver for this movie!!!!!!

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play Captain America in The Avengers: Age Of Ultron, he plans to direct the movie.--

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public to their audience, it comes through a press release given to a source like

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Ultron (albeit, probably how Downey is in partially built suits for Iron Man)? -

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Fiege and Whedon have been talking about the return of Jeremy Renner as Hawkeye.

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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was announced over a year ago but sources less than 24-hours ago still call it

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that Coulson will not be in this film. I already added this information to the

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I used both, one in the cast section and one in the pre-production section.--

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Well, it should be removed from Thor's lead too. Completely unneccesary. --

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pretty often and there's no hatnote. I think people would use common sense.

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This brings up a question I have wondered for a while: if the full title is

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Gotcha and that's what I figured was the reason, I just wanted to check ;)

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/21/james-spader-ultron_n_4136437.html

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will be fine for the moment, but I do think it will have a subtitle, as in

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The Cap situation is indeed tricky. We can't exactly say it's "the second

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part because no other media has this name, and seeing "sequel to 2011's

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It appears Joss plans to continue on with Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch.

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Hawkeye is still in this movie and will be played by Jeremy Renner!!!

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Aaron Taylor-Johnson officially confirmed to play Quicksilver in AoU.

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Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb

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acceptable as a source? They are citing an anonymous source same as

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Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy...

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to satisfy the reader and the lead mentions that it's a sequel to

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and the eleventh installment in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.--

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suggested just reflective of the author's colloquial tone.--

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You can try but it might not work because of the redirect.--

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film", but maybe we could say "the second Marvel Studios

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I think so, once we know more about what this means for

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No, "also known as" makes it sound somehow official. --

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http://screenrant.com/avengers-2-age-of-ultron-hawkeye/

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Please remove Aaron Taylor-Johnson's casting addition

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article reliable and should it now be included with

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using it in that sense. Readers understand that. --

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announcement from the studio, actor or filmmaker.--

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