1086:
looking to find out 'what the bleep is a
Weinstrasse'? than to find out 'what is a wine road'? For my part, I never heard anyone mention a 'Wine Road' till ... yesterday. Titles that don't relate to words used in the real world by folks with an interest in the subject will tend to alienate readers. I don't pretend to understand all the titles of the bio-sciences articles that appear in wiki, but I don't deduce from that that they need to be renamed so that they fit in with the limitations of my personal educational restrictions: instead, time permitting, I read and try to learn something. The words 'road' and 'street' and 'route' have additional complications for English speakers, because (like 'town' and 'city') they carry differently nuanced meanings depending whether you learned your English in the US or the UK or, where you learned English as a foreign language, who you learned it from (ok then, 'from whom you learned it' if you don't like your prepositions dangling).
861:
355:
185:
158:
777:
285:
74:
22:
53:
84:
195:
767:
737:
1085:
To me 'Wine Road', 'Wine Street' etc sound plain silly: but the more important question concerns which title is more likely to be entered to the search window by folks looking to learn more about the
Weinstrasse. In that context, it seems to me that the objectively curious are far more likely to be
1122:
are not differentiated but it is possible that "Weinstraße" is not the best title. English users are not likely to enter "Weinstraße" as the primary search term due to lack of ß on most keyboards but that is not the only consideration. —
1092:
This next thought may be deemed disrespectful: it is not so intended. But ... I wonder if the change to Wine Road was introduced by someone who endorses the interesting observation that the French have no word for entrepreneur.
1078:
Renaming the article without discussion is 'merely' discourteous, and I guess it is important to separate knee-jerk irration triggered by the discourtesy of the action from objective consideration of the underlying issues.
1082:
My second reaction is to wonder why anyone should care enough EITHER to rename the thing OR to discuss it given the scope for incorporating redirects: but it seems I do (care enough).
1318:
293:
168:
1313:
680:
1333:
1293:
245:
1298:
1288:
589:
1328:
1047:
by another user and thought I would give that user the courtesy of making space for disucssion. I'm more concerned that the article is shite and that
1308:
851:
841:
833:
221:
1278:
140:
130:
1089:
Of course, there may be powerful reasons to rename the article: I just wish someone could take the trouble to spell these out for the rest of us.
1323:
636:
Just about all of them! Any pictures of wine regions, grape varieties or wine would be useful. In particular we need wine region maps that can be
1338:
1303:
1283:
1273:
870:
823:
747:
707:
255:
1210:, the article has been split and I have copy edited and added content. The current article now deals solely with the route in Palatinate (
940:, the article has been split and I have copy edited and added content. The current article now deals solely with the route in Palatinate (
898:
208:
163:
799:
298:
106:
699:
651:
570:
790:
742:
684:
665:
631:
637:
549:
456:
97:
58:
448:
421:
377:
33:
386:
655:
646:
598:
405:
366:
316:
220:
related articles on
Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
1153:
440:
902:
21:
669:
444:
413:
1238:
968:
615:
39:
1192:
382:
894:
995:
1214:
1119:
1052:
1010:
944:
860:
1251:
1165:
1125:
1057:
1015:
981:
409:
401:
395:
1246:
1188:
1149:
976:
798:
on
Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
105:
on
Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
1168:
554:
1219:
949:
354:
1184:
481:
1035:
562:
477:
465:
1207:
1097:
937:
607:
529:
435:
89:
184:
157:
1267:
1111:
1044:
1034:
For what reason should the page be moved? So far, you have given no justification. --
473:
469:
426:
782:
623:
525:
521:
505:
489:
1233:
1145:
1115:
1048:
1006:
963:
619:
537:
497:
493:
200:
1225:
955:
772:
603:
541:
517:
513:
430:
190:
79:
73:
52:
897:
This website has also "borrowed" hundreds of wikipedia and flickr pictures.
1259:
1195:
1175:
1133:
1100:
1065:
1038:
1023:
989:
906:
284:
580:
558:
501:
1114:
by another user. I'm more concerned that the article is shite and that
576:
795:
485:
102:
194:
1148:
is a disambig page not only for many wine roads, but also the region
611:
509:
1161:
1157:
766:
736:
1217:), retains the edit history of the original article, and is titled
947:), retains the edit history of the original article, and is titled
895:
http://www.live-like-a-german.com/tg_details.php?travel_guide_id=66
533:
217:
1242:
to cover the region around the wine route within the
Palatinate (
972:
to cover the region around the wine route within the
Palatinate (
979:). Please continue to discuss the preferred page name below. —
461:
213:
15:
994:
In addition, the information about the specific wine road in
859:
283:
1170:
1002:(German Wine Road) should be split into another article. (
1249:). Please continue to discuss the preferred page name. —
1110:
I have no interest in the move at all. I was undoing a
1043:
I have no interest in the move at all. I was undoing a
715:
711:
703:
342:
337:
332:
327:
1164:. Thus, a simple move to wine road makes no sense. --
1236:). If one wishes, a third article can be created at
966:). If one wishes, a third article can be created at
1223:. A new disambiguation article has been created at
953:. A new disambiguation article has been created at
794:, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
212:, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
101:, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
266:
688:
296:, a project which is currently considered to be
1319:Low-importance Europe road transport articles
8:
1187:, to allow the region in Pflaz to be called
19:
1191:, and to allow this page to become a DAB.
731:
590:Unreferenced biographies of living persons
311:
263:
152:
47:
1314:Stub-Class Europe road transport articles
893:This content was stolen by this website:
575:Cleanup lists of wine-related articles:
733:
154:
49:
1334:Low-importance Road transport articles
1294:Low-importance Food and drink articles
1156:. It shows in car license plates like
687:. Add to the Wikiquote page for wine:
7:
788:This article is within the scope of
656:Nominations for top level importance
292:This article is within the scope of
230:Knowledge:WikiProject Food and drink
206:This article is within the scope of
95:This article is within the scope of
1299:WikiProject Food and drink articles
1289:Start-Class Food and drink articles
363:Here are some tasks you can do for
233:Template:WikiProject Food and drink
38:It is of interest to the following
1329:Stub-Class Road transport articles
14:
868:This article is supported by the
1309:Low-importance Highways articles
775:
765:
735:
387:Great Wine Capitals of the World
353:
193:
183:
156:
82:
72:
51:
20:
1279:Low-importance Germany articles
846:This article has been rated as
828:This article has been rated as
250:This article has been rated as
135:This article has been rated as
1324:Europe road transport articles
907:03:32, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
808:Knowledge:WikiProject Highways
666:Template:Infobox grape variety
1:
1339:WikiProject Highways articles
811:Template:WikiProject Highways
802:and see a list of open tasks.
224:and see a list of open tasks.
115:Knowledge:WikiProject Germany
109:and see a list of open tasks.
1304:Stub-Class Highways articles
1284:WikiProject Germany articles
1274:Start-Class Germany articles
871:European Highways Task Force
698:
118:Template:WikiProject Germany
1355:
1055:are not differentiated. —
852:project's importance scale
256:project's importance scale
209:WikiProject Food and drink
141:project's importance scale
1260:23:22, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
1196:21:18, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
1176:19:08, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
1134:16:16, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
1101:08:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
1066:16:16, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
1039:06:58, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
1024:06:17, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
990:23:22, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
867:
845:
827:
760:
310:
291:
262:
249:
178:
134:
67:
46:
441:wine serving temperature
670:Template:Infobox winery
445:Western Australian wine
414:Western Australian wine
236:Food and drink articles
1215:de:Deutsche Weinstraße
1011:de:Deutsche Weinstraße
945:de:Deutsche Weinstraße
864:
681:grape article template
288:
28:This article is rated
1247:de:Weinstraße (Pfalz)
1150:de:Weinstraße (Pfalz)
977:de:Weinstraße (Pfalz)
863:
652:Operation stub-killer
616:Robert M. Parker, Jr.
287:
1152:and the district of
1074:Vote for Weinstrasse
996:Rhineland-Palatinate
791:WikiProject Highways
581:articles by category
449:Start class articles
1239:Weinstraße (region)
1154:Südliche Weinstraße
1144:The german article
1120:Deutsche Weinstraße
1053:Deutsche Weinstraße
1000:Deutsche Weinstraße
969:Weinstraße (region)
404:, particularly the
267:Related taskforces:
98:WikiProject Germany
1202:Further discussion
1112:cut-and-paste move
1045:cut-and-paste move
865:
555:Cabernet Sauvignon
289:
34:content assessment
1220:German Wine Route
950:German Wine Route
886:
885:
882:
881:
878:
877:
832:on the project's
814:Highways articles
730:
729:
726:
725:
722:
721:
697:
696:
383:Sebastiani family
315:WikiProject Wine
306:
305:
151:
150:
147:
146:
1346:
1258:
1256:
1185:German wine road
1173:
1132:
1130:
1064:
1062:
1022:
1020:
988:
986:
816:
815:
812:
809:
806:
785:
780:
779:
778:
769:
762:
761:
756:
753:
750:
739:
732:
482:Champagne (wine)
400:any of the ~700
367:WikiProject Wine
357:
349:
348:
312:
294:Wines task force
274:
264:
238:
237:
234:
231:
228:
203:
198:
197:
187:
180:
179:
174:
171:
160:
153:
123:
122:
121:Germany articles
119:
116:
113:
92:
87:
86:
85:
76:
69:
68:
63:
55:
48:
31:
25:
24:
16:
1354:
1353:
1349:
1348:
1347:
1345:
1344:
1343:
1264:
1263:
1252:
1250:
1204:
1171:
1126:
1124:
1076:
1058:
1056:
1031:
1016:
1014:
982:
980:
917:
891:
813:
810:
807:
804:
803:
781:
776:
774:
754:
751:
745:
718:
693:
679:Comment on the
563:Sauvignon blanc
478:California wine
466:Australian wine
378:Article request
358:
347:
272:
235:
232:
229:
226:
225:
199:
192:
172:
166:
120:
117:
114:
111:
110:
88:
83:
81:
61:
32:on Knowledge's
29:
12:
11:
5:
1352:
1350:
1342:
1341:
1336:
1331:
1326:
1321:
1316:
1311:
1306:
1301:
1296:
1291:
1286:
1281:
1276:
1266:
1265:
1203:
1200:
1199:
1198:
1143:
1141:
1140:
1139:
1138:
1137:
1136:
1075:
1072:
1071:
1070:
1069:
1068:
1030:
1027:
933:something else
916:
915:Requested move
913:
911:
899:84.171.240.178
890:
889:CONTENT STOLEN
887:
884:
883:
880:
879:
876:
875:
866:
856:
855:
848:Low-importance
844:
838:
837:
826:
820:
819:
817:
800:the discussion
787:
786:
770:
758:
757:
755:Low‑importance
740:
728:
727:
724:
723:
720:
719:
695:
694:
692:
691:
689:Wikiquote wine
673:
672:
659:
658:
642:
641:
640:for Knowledge.
627:
626:
608:Cabernet franc
594:
593:
585:
584:
566:
565:
550:Articles to FA
545:
544:
530:Sparkling wine
457:Articles to GA
452:
451:
436:Vitis vinifera
417:
416:
391:
390:
373:
360:
359:
352:
346:
345:
340:
335:
330:
324:
321:
320:
308:
307:
304:
303:
290:
280:
279:
277:
275:
269:
268:
260:
259:
252:Low-importance
248:
242:
241:
239:
227:Food and drink
222:the discussion
205:
204:
188:
176:
175:
173:Low‑importance
164:Food and drink
161:
149:
148:
145:
144:
137:Low-importance
133:
127:
126:
124:
107:the discussion
94:
93:
90:Germany portal
77:
65:
64:
62:Low‑importance
56:
44:
43:
37:
26:
13:
10:
9:
6:
4:
3:
2:
1351:
1340:
1337:
1335:
1332:
1330:
1327:
1325:
1322:
1320:
1317:
1315:
1312:
1310:
1307:
1305:
1302:
1300:
1297:
1295:
1292:
1290:
1287:
1285:
1282:
1280:
1277:
1275:
1272:
1271:
1269:
1262:
1261:
1257:
1255:
1248:
1245:
1241:
1240:
1235:
1234:de:Weinstraße
1232:
1228:
1227:
1222:
1221:
1216:
1213:
1209:
1201:
1197:
1194:
1190:
1186:
1183:
1180:
1179:
1178:
1177:
1174:
1169:
1167:
1163:
1159:
1155:
1151:
1147:
1146:de:Weinstraße
1135:
1131:
1129:
1121:
1117:
1113:
1109:
1108:
1107:
1106:
1105:
1104:
1103:
1102:
1099:
1094:
1090:
1087:
1083:
1080:
1073:
1067:
1063:
1061:
1054:
1050:
1046:
1042:
1041:
1040:
1037:
1033:
1032:
1028:
1026:
1025:
1021:
1019:
1012:
1008:
1007:de:Weinstraße
1005:
1001:
997:
992:
991:
987:
985:
978:
975:
971:
970:
965:
964:de:Weinstraße
962:
958:
957:
952:
951:
946:
943:
939:
935:
934:
930:
926:
922:
914:
912:
909:
908:
904:
900:
896:
888:
873:
872:
862:
858:
857:
853:
849:
843:
840:
839:
835:
834:quality scale
831:
825:
822:
821:
818:
801:
797:
793:
792:
784:
773:
771:
768:
764:
763:
759:
749:
744:
741:
738:
734:
717:
713:
709:
705:
701:
690:
686:
685:grape infobox
682:
678:
675:
674:
671:
667:
664:
661:
660:
657:
653:
650:
648:
647:Collaboration
644:
643:
639:
635:
633:
632:Photo request
629:
628:
625:
621:
617:
613:
609:
605:
602:
600:
596:
595:
592:
591:
587:
586:
582:
578:
574:
572:
568:
567:
564:
560:
556:
553:
551:
547:
546:
543:
539:
535:
531:
527:
523:
519:
515:
511:
507:
503:
499:
495:
491:
487:
483:
479:
475:
474:Burgundy wine
471:
470:Bordeaux wine
467:
463:
460:
458:
454:
453:
450:
446:
442:
438:
437:
432:
428:
427:Canadian wine
425:
423:
419:
418:
415:
411:
410:miscellaneous
407:
403:
399:
397:
393:
392:
388:
384:
381:
379:
375:
374:
372:
370:
369:
368:
361:
356:
351:
350:
344:
341:
339:
336:
334:
331:
329:
326:
325:
323:
322:
318:
314:
313:
309:
301:
300:
295:
286:
282:
281:
278:
276:
271:
270:
265:
261:
257:
253:
247:
244:
243:
240:
223:
219:
215:
211:
210:
202:
196:
191:
189:
186:
182:
181:
177:
170:
165:
162:
159:
155:
142:
138:
132:
129:
128:
125:
108:
104:
100:
99:
91:
80:
78:
75:
71:
70:
66:
60:
57:
54:
50:
45:
41:
35:
27:
23:
18:
17:
1253:
1243:
1237:
1230:
1224:
1218:
1211:
1205:
1193:132.205.44.5
1189:Weinstrausse
1181:
1142:
1127:
1095:
1091:
1088:
1084:
1081:
1077:
1059:
1017:
1003:
999:
993:
983:
973:
967:
960:
954:
948:
941:
932:
928:
924:
920:
919:
918:
910:
892:
869:
847:
829:
789:
783:Roads portal
676:
662:
645:
630:
624:Rioja (wine)
597:
588:
577:all articles
569:
548:
526:Spanish wine
522:Rioja (wine)
506:Italian wine
490:Dessert wine
455:
434:
420:
394:
376:
365:
364:
362:
297:
251:
207:
136:
96:
40:WikiProjects
998:called the
683:and on the
620:Pinot blanc
538:Tempranillo
498:German wine
494:French wine
201:Food portal
30:Start-class
1268:Categories
1254:AjaxSmack
1226:Wine route
1128:AjaxSmack
1116:Weinstraße
1060:AjaxSmack
1049:Weinstraße
1036:Stemonitis
1029:Discussion
1018:AjaxSmack
984:AjaxSmack
956:Wine route
929:wine route
921:Weinstraße
830:Stub-class
752:Stub‑class
542:Winemaking
518:Pinot noir
514:Pinot gris
431:Greek wine
402:wine stubs
317:open tasks
1182:Rename to
1098:Charles01
925:Wine road
1166:Matthead
805:Highways
796:highways
743:Highways
663:Infobox:
638:licensed
599:Copyedit
559:Riesling
502:Grenache
447:, other
412:" ones,
299:inactive
1208:WP:BOLD
1096:Regards
938:WP:BOLD
850:on the
712:history
708:discuss
604:Aligoté
571:Cleanup
486:Chianti
422:Improve
333:history
254:on the
139:on the
112:Germany
103:Germany
59:Germany
1162:de:SÜW
1158:de:DÜW
748:Europe
677:Other:
612:Malbec
510:Merlot
406:region
396:Expand
36:scale.
1013:). —
931:, or
716:watch
534:Syrah
408:and "
343:purge
338:watch
218:drink
1206:Per
1172:O
1160:and
1118:and
1051:and
1009:and
936:Per
903:talk
824:Stub
704:edit
700:view
579:and
462:Wine
328:edit
216:and
214:food
169:Wine
1244:cf.
1231:cf.
1212:cf.
1004:cf.
974:cf.
961:cf.
942:cf.
842:Low
488:,
246:Low
131:Low
1270::
927:,
923:→
905:)
746::
714:•
710:•
706:•
702:•
668:,
654:,
622:,
618:,
614:,
610:,
606:,
561:,
557:,
540:,
536:,
532:,
528:,
524:,
520:,
516:,
512:,
508:,
504:,
500:,
496:,
492:,
484:,
480:,
476:,
472:,
468:,
464:,
443:,
439:,
433:,
429:,
385:,
371::
273:/
167::
1229:(
959:(
901:(
874:.
854:.
836:.
649::
634::
601::
583:.
573::
552::
459::
424::
398::
389:.
380::
319::
302:.
258:.
143:.
42::
Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.
