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Broadway. Her acting career spanned 60+ years. She is considered by Hollywood historians to be one of the most beautiful women ever to be in film and is also considered by some to be a Hollywood Legend therefore she is a "Notable" person with a large fan base even at 93! Her recording of the song can therefore be considered 'Notable'. Although not known as a singer her recordings are still available on CD whereas many 'singers' cannot claim that. also many of her films are among those considered to be Hollywood Classics and finally as perhaps Ireland's first 'major star' her recording is relevant to the section, the content and the song.:~
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Weatherly thought that "Danny Boy" was originally intended as a message from a woman to a man". For all we know, the quoted addition at the bottom of one of the printed versions may have been a publishers afterthought in order to maximise sales of the song - where is the link tying it back directly to Weatherly?
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Maybe I'm missing something (apologies if I am) but as far as I can see your argument is based on the fact that the 1918 version of the sheet music of Eily Dear includes a facsimile of
Weatherly's signature. However - that is not proof of his intentions as to what the song meant, or who it should be
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With regard to Irish musicians' attitude towards "Danny Boy", Robbie O'Connell's song "You're Not Irish" is perhaps a clue. It's written from the point of view of an Irish musician who comes to
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The cultural references should definitely stay. I think the covers should be removed, and a majority of the movie/tv/game appearances should as well. Not to mention, many of these are poorly and inconsistently formatted. Any thoughts? I'll wait for a consensus before mass-removing, at least for now.
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Adding a list of United States chart positions (without making it clear that they are from the United States) to a song associated particularly with
Northern Ireland is not terribly helpful, and does not show the world view that is required on Knowledge. Has the song ever charted anywhere else (the
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I've reversed your edit. I read through the reference you provided and all I could see was mention of the fact that occasionally writers such as
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Like our "Chinese food," which is not found much in China, Danny Boy is a tune for those who dream of
Ireland (UK) from outside. Why would this be controversial? We Canadians may tire of hearing about Mounties and igloos, but that is what many outsiders think of when they think of Canada. One can
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There needs to be some sort of note about
Catholicism in this article. The Catholic Church has banned the playing of Danny Boy at Catholic funerals. It sucks, my Irish Catholic family had to learn 'catholic lyrics' to this secular song for my grandmothers funeral, as Danny Boy is a family tradition
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There are original sources and they should be respected. The only difference I allowed for between the version that I now reinstalled and the version from the sources is in line 8. The original reads in source as follows: "Oh, Danny boy, O Danny boy, I love you so!" The second "O" without the "h"
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which in this case would probably mean first contributors preference). Elsewhere, it includes numerous other discussions where it refers to 'Londonderry Air' so it in no way even supports the claim 'Air from County Derry' is the common name let alone Derry Air. That source also seems to contradict
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These two sentences make little sense together. Can someone decipher their meaning, and make the necessary edit. I'm not sure if it means to say that it is not widely considered Irish in
Ireland, but that it is sung by Irish-Americans or that even though it is popular in Ireland, it has become the
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appears to be fairly authoritative, and they can't find any strong ruling (such as a statement by the original author) on the meaning. I rather like the idea of it being intentionally ambiguous for the sake of sales, but that's just personal preference. I don't see anything wrong with mentioning
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Several editors are engaged in tit-for-tat changes in the opening sentence of the article as to whether the song is Irish. No sources are presented to lend weight to either argument, and edit notes have been assertive rather than informative. Let's grow up, discuss, and compromise. Songs don't
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support your claim. In fact, it only mentions 'Derry Air' once and in that mention "If you were a proper Victorian, there's no way you were going to call it the Londonderry Air, much less the Derry Air" it makes it clear 'Derry Air' makes even less sense then Londonderry Air for the time. That
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I added Maureen O'Hara's recording of the song on her 1962 album "Maureen O'Hara Sings Her Favorite Irish Songs" released in 1962 and reissued in 1991 and again in 2011. I believe that her recording is worthy of inclusion because although she wasn't recognised for her singing she was an
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Please provide the evidence of that authorisation, and also Weatherly's statement that we can take that authorisation to mean that he felt "Danny Boy" should only be sung by women. If you can't do that, kindly stop making these changes. We should be dealing in facts, not supposition.
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itself since at first it says the earliest reference to 'Londonderry Air' is in the late 1930s but it later includes what is supposed to be a description from the person who set the lyrics to the tune in 1912 which appears to be from 1926 and that person calls it Londonderry Air.
827:"Sung by some jerk on Canadian idol" generally would not be called an officially released recording, nor would "some jerk" be a Notable artist. So that wouldn't meet the criteria I stated. Why does there need to be an authoritative version? I fail to see the relevance. -
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music critics consider the 1978 rendition by the "Limerick Brothers" Animal, beaker, and the Swedish Chef (with alternative lyrics) to be the most emotional video ever produced. Please put these alternative lyrics up and a reference to the music video.
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Please post new topics for discussion at the bottom of the page. Yes, there are two verses. The second verse is the tearjerker. When it is omitted, it is usually for the sake of brevity. Any amount of research will confirm the second verse.
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The sentence "Although the lyrics were originally written for a different tune, Weatherly modified them to fit "Londonderry Air" in 1913 when she sent Weatherly a copy. " is unclear - who is the "she" who sent a copy of the Air to Weatherly?
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I have no problem listing every officially released recording of Danny Boy by Notable artists. However, since the list is so very long, and effectively translates to " recorded this in on ", I suggest converting it to a sortable table.
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see that people of Irish (or UK, if you prefer) background are moved to hear this pretty tune (the Derry Air and later Londonderry Air), and to hear the lovely story of a parent pining for a son. As Albert said, "the rest are details."
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Actually it was the sheet music for Danny Boy, but also provided alternative words for men to sing. It stated it was authorised by Weatherly and appeared under his facsimile signature, which is more than can be said for the 1913 sheet
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I agree. So, I removed all the uncited or poorly cited examples. Note: a random YouTube video is not an adequate cite. A source has to show that the usage of the song is significant and notable, not merely that it happened.
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What you mean to say is that Irish bands do not play Danny Boy unless they have any respect at all for their audiences, who love the song. A historian's purity is completely inappropriate (and ridiculous) in an entertainer.
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section supports 'Air from County Derry' not 'Derry Air' (which as I said is only mentioned once) but primarily based on historical precendence. But for better or worse, that often only has a minor influence on the modern
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That is not an unknown interpretation, but note that it is the singer who stays and may die. The quote comes from the writer after WWI, though the song was written before; he presumably knew what he intended.
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I just noticed that the original lyrics already entered by DTRY was (with little adaptations) valid until Nov 1 2014 when some IP (221.126.8.59) changed it to something that is nowhere documented.
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The Irish (born in Ireland) are quite adamant that it's NOT an "Irish song"(though the "air" is Irish). Also, serious Irish groups(bands) do not perform the tune, if they have any self-respect.
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Although some view the above interpretation of Danny Boy as the true meaning, there is also another meaning for this song. The lyrics were supposedly written by a father who lost his son, Danny.
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The text on the "Londonderry Air" is also subject to the the same speculation and at odds with the supplied reference. I'll make the necessary changes - thanks for bringing it up.
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Second there was a short TV documentary about the song's lyrics, and they said it was written by an Irish American in Colorado per request of a newspaper. Can't remember details
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I have put a source, therefore do not reverse my edit unless you want to put up an alternate source for calling it Londonderry air where then I suggest you keep both up.
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If you read the lyric, it seems to apply as much to Scotland (pipes and glens) as it does to Ireland. And the lyric was written before it was set to the Londonderry Air.
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normally when there is an article refferring to a song, there is a audio sample, and i think that this song should have one to, do you agree or disagree?
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My request is to add Bill Monroe to the list of artists who have recorded Danny Boy under the Meaning section. I can get the recording information also.
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The logic within the song suggests that 'the father' is in fact dying, and hoping his son, will return, lost as in not dead, to say a prayer over him ?
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