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Solar system is notable, it's comparison with Earth in relation to timekeeping, too, and a calendar is one of the most intuitive ways to describe a human being, and this makes it not only notable, but a mandatory for illustrating it. Yes, you could construct a
Martian calendars when you know this, but doing so in an article for an illustriation would be considered original research, so we use the Darian calendar. A seperate article on a Martian calendar, however, isn't notable, so I would suggest that this article is renamed to "Martian calendars" or "Extraterrestrial calendars", or the content moved to another article, but it should be kept. The Darian calendar is notable enough to be included in another article.
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their own month names to suit them. It will be, after all, their planet and not ours. Finally, an
American deciding that the epoch should start at an American date while ignoring earlier dates from other nations and expecting other people to sit well with it is just nonsense. Again - let the real first martians decide. Their grandchildren wont consider themselves American, European, Russian or Chinese anyway. In fact for some of them their first generation of children wont either.
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here on Earth. Anyone can think of some way to organize 365+1 days of the year (as a matter of fact, I have some ideas, to... :) ), so how notable or all those proposals? Their chance of being adopted isn't greater than for some
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All this is good work on the part of people endeavouring to see people colonise Mars, however the reality is that nobody will be satisfied to lose a day of the week once every five months and secondly the first settlers, who will most likely be of many nations and not one, will probably come up with
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Yes, regarding the name "Darian", it is a perfectly legitimate name, but still irritating and full of vanity. But the article needs notability, and all other calendar articles out there are either extensively used, or extensively referred to by independent sources. The great lack of this article is
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No need to answer so rudely. The site talks about the solar day of those moons, so its still based on the position of the sun. And, the "days" are of slightly different lengths on each of the moons, and of a length that would probably be inconveniently short for humans. At any rate, it's no more
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No Mars scientists, or as far as I know anybody else, use this calendar. I'm not sure in what way it's really a "calender" if none of the people who work with Mars operations on a day to day basis use it as a calendar. At a minimum, the fact that the calendar is not in use should be specifically
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Why? Why would you need a calendar for those moons? They're too far away for the position of the sun to matter. Any colony established on those moons would be self-contained, and whether its day or night wouldn't matter much, and there'd be no importance to where in its orbit it is. Mars, at
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It would also be inconvenient for businesses. Pay periods are generally either 1 or 2 weeks, a fixed number of days. This would require that, several times a year, you have a payperiod that is reduced by one day. In addition, this would require that several times a year you either reduce the
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I think we should add an extra clause about calendars named after some brighthead's son, such as a strong criterion for vanity, that should be deleted sadistically by ripping big holes in WP:s databases, putting a warning mark in those holes: "here resided the extra-vain-de-luxe article Darian
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As you'd know if you'd actually bothered to read the linked pages, the calendars for the
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What does the expression as a whole mean? It appears intended to be a number of days. But what number of days? The number of days in a year? Or what? And again, why doesn't the article attempt to tell us?
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I changed my mind: it's notable. Regarding the sentence that you pinpoint: it should be replaced by something neutral. To be a little bit nosy: I would say NASA would
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note for discussion - but perhaps - at least in this case - no citation would be needed after all - thanks again for your clarification - and - Enjoy! :)
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workweek by one day, or take a day out of the weekend. Workers would not be thrilled about the second, and employers wouldn't be happy about the first.
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