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Saying that they are not in prisons - I would have to disagree. I work in a prison and the numbers estimating populations of people with mental disorders are probably being conservative and may be higher than they really are. I know that comment is original research, but probably no more OR than your blog - which I also took a look at - its interesting. FYI, though, I hate the term medical model and I don't think anyone in the field, clinically or academically, seriously labels their treatment as a "medical model." This recovery model, as you define it, may already be in place for those suffering mild conditions. No matter what your "model", most mental health professionals are trying to get the person to be able to function in life - not just to treat the symptoms. ANyway, I'm not sure if that debate is necessary here at this article though. Maybe something for
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say de-inst. moved folks from state hospitals to prisons. Also, stats clearly show that members of the mentally ill population are more often VICTIMS of crime rather than PERPETRATORS. The "medical model" is moving out, and the "recovery model" is moving in. See my blog:
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