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As far as I can see, there are two understandings of the "perceptron" term. The first is the original Rosenblatt's perceptron with the step function as an activation function. The second is just the synonym of an artifitial neuron or even a network. The first seems to be prevalent now (?), but the
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The point about the hinge loss was really a side remark. My main contention is that the article should point out connections between the delta rule and similar concepts in statistics and optimization: squared error, linear regression. A lot of the early NN folks were reinventing (or independently
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This article suggests training perceptrons with a squared error loss function. That's a pretty bad idea, as the gradient of that loss function is no good for classification tasks -- it doesn't approximate the actual zero-one loss very well and is therefore quite slow to converge. A variant of the
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follows the first definition, except for the notion of the Delta rule there which makes no sense in it. If I'm right, this mix-up must be resolved explicitly in all affected articles. Sadly I'm not sure I'm right :).
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I've never seen linear regression models being called perceptrons. I'm not too familiar with the old NN terminology, but I think even a step neuron trained fr an MSE loss function is not a perceptron, but an
438:@Qwertyus that function isn't differentiable, is it? Also this is the article for the delta function. Using a different error function would result in a different learning rule, and therefore it wouldn't be 378:. (Note that the application of the step function is only used for classification, and classification must *always* use such a function, even in logistic regression, SVMs and multilayer nets.) 296: 617: 224: 194: 351:
article already contains the indication that "multilayer perceptron" is a misnomer. But still there is no agreement whether we call for example linear neuron a perceptron.
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Unfortunately, I don't have a source for this -- but the fact that squared error loss is inappropriate should be covered in any good textbook that covers linear models.
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confirm that this is used to train perceptrons. Removed the disputed tag.
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Yep. It's the weighted sum of all the outputs of the neurons going into j.
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second continues to thrive: this article uses it, as well as for example
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discovering) things that have different names in different fields.
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