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Disambiguation pages list topics that are commonly referred to using a term. The term "Democrat Party" is commonly used to refer to the
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Any confusion would be minor, and in any case the desired article would only be a click away. I think it's more important that we avoid appearing to endorse a deliberate, politically driven misnomer –
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English Knowledge is used by a very diverse readerbase with varying English skills, and a link to the actual party would likely be helpful. --
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on this page. While there seems to be no disagreement that the term is used as an epithet, there is consensus that DAB policy suggests its inclusion as a navigational aide to readers. Best,
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might easily search "Democrat Party" as an honest mistake, thinking that's the correct name. There is no analogous situation for honky vs. white people.
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