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I would say that your response demanding apologies and retractions is unwarranted, but does support my fear that making any changes to that paragraph was going to be contentious, even after taking the time to explain on the talk page. For my part I am not demanding anything from you, except to review
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I agree it needs a lot of work to meet GA criteria. But in my opinion, several of the check-boxes used do not seem to apply, as I responded. Why not just use a general needs to be cleaned up to Knowledge standards tag? Hard to disagree with that. And then in the talk page discuss specific places
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I wish there was a process of standards-based peer-review prior to publishing all edits. That way, articles would only improve over time, rather than the current process. The best article can be ground down to s*** in a few weeks due to careless changes. Then a tag would have some clout, and we
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Thank you very much for your concerns. I hope most experienced editors would be like you. And I hear you, there's this issue of a lack of standards for WP articles, basing it all on "local consensus". This means, in practice, that no to BLP are alike. Sure, there are some ideals like following
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I suggest not continuing this conversation on the article talk page, since it has nothing to do with the content. Or continue it on a user talk page, or open an issue with an admin about it. My edit history is all under one user account, so it is easy to check on everything behavior-wise.
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there were accusations that some of its staff were involved with Hamas during the October 7 attack. Previously, Emhoff had also raised funds for Gaza through the Palestinian Children’s Relief Fund. She later removed the link to UNRWA’s website after the New York Post reported on
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I am removing the "even though" phrase. If an editor can find a valid secondary source which states that she knew about the allegations prior to posting the encouragement on her Instagram account, please feel free to add that information and cite the source.
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I'm open to learning about proper behavior and policies, but at this point, you are just discussing feeling wronged by me, which I did not intend, and not anything about the actual changes made, nor the appropriateness of the edit comment you made to
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and if she didn't grow up with the faith, even by the loosest reform standards still won't consider her Jewish. Due to Judaism's awkward status as an ethno-religion, Her statement implies actually being a non-practicing Jew when she is non-Jewish.
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I guess I was comparing this BLP to many other poorly written BLP's I've read here, and thought you were being too critical, and slapping a tag on it willy-nilly. Obviously that is not the case, with the attention you have given to making these
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I would argue that since he is the father, the date he became her father is (also) a claim about himself. But regardless, I'm pretty sure that the policy does not mean such claims when it talks about "claims about third parties". I think per
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by using the talk page prior to making changes to that paragraph. I left all of the factual statements that you had added, and removed only the phrase (which you yourself have admitted can not be cited and therefore was clearly
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There are plenty more, this is a just a quick first pass. Moreover, plenty of sentences lack citation. You wanting to dismiss the legitimate concerns on the states of this article, which is mostly fluff, does not belong on
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In 2020, she announced she would support the organization For the Gworls, a black, transgender-led collective that raises money to help black transgender people pay for rent, gender-affirming surgery, travel, and medical
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that it reads like a promotion, for example, so they can removed or improved. Sorry, but I just don't see where most of the listed problems are compared to many, many similar articles. I'll wait for more feedback.
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As to registered editors with only 4 edits saying "If you don't like it, take it to the Talk Page and don't revert again." I would draw the same conclusion. Any changes may be contentious. It's about the
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does not apply in this case. This article does not act as a personal blog, webpage, etc. While it needs improvement in writing style, the article does not meet, in itself, the WP:NOTRESUME criteria.
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and Knowledge admin's have stood by these. Implying anything pejorative of me due to being an IP editor is wrong on many levels and as such I formally ask that you retract your accusations @
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was an example of a newcomer (your IP postings at the time numbered 4) biting a newcomer (56 edits). Or you may have 1000's of edits under a username, I don't know.
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I already said that my usage of "4 edit IP" was making an assumption about the editor as a newbie, based mainly on the edit count. But please show me where in
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would have more support of standards. And I would be more in my comfort zone. I agree the tag should stay as is. Thanks for your patience explaining to me.
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Although her father is Jewish, a spokesperson for Emhoff said that Ella does not identify as Jewish, since Judaism is "not something she grew up with".
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After the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel, Emhoff encouraged her 318,000 Instagram followers to donate to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency,
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we must never base such articles on such sources. We need to find a reliable secondary source that supports the name or it cannot be included.
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In 2021, she founded Soft Hands, a company focused on exploring "opportunities in fashion, design, creative consulting, and hosting events."
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Emhoff is a member of The 3% Movement, an organization focused on increasing the number of women creative directors in the United States.
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I disagree with your removal. The article would not meet any criteria regarding GA and has a collection of personal achievements in an
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does not apply. It is not primarily Original reporting, News reports, Who's who, Celebrity gossip and diary. Some are included due to
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After the inauguration, Emhoff's Instagram following increased from 50,000 followers to over 300,000 in less than a week.
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I think the tag should be removed, and I will do so if there are no objections or discussion about removal. Thank you.
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we can assume that most parents will not lie about their children's birthdays even in self-published sources. Regards
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does not apply. It is not "a soapbox, a battleground, or a vehicle for propaganda, advertising and showcasing."
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Although her father is Jewish, Emhoff is not Jewish and did not grow up around the Jewish faith.
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Nobody will easily find a RS stating she knew of it before her posting since the White House
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Okay, thanks for the response. I get it, and agree with the particular points you made.
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it calls referring to IP editors by their edit count an aspersion. What I see is that
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my changes and if you want to revert, please discuss first on the talk page.
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This article has been viewed enough times in a single week to appear in the
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I made no aspersions: I did not accuse you of misconduct without evidence.
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If you don't like it, take it to the Talk Page and don't revert again.
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OP has changed position and does not think the tag should be removed
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the allegations. The other sentences are facts and are cited.
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This implies she encouraged her followers to contribute
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