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Thank you very much for your concerns. I hope most experienced editors would be like you. And I hear you, there's this issue of a lack of standards for WP articles, basing it all on "local consensus". This means, in practice, that no to BLP are alike. Sure, there are some ideals like following
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there were accusations that some of its staff were involved with Hamas during the
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I am removing the "even though" phrase. If an editor can find a valid secondary source which states that she knew about the allegations prior to posting the encouragement on her
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and if she didn't grow up with the faith, even by the loosest reform standards still won't consider her Jewish. Due to
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