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Frascatti meeting on Methane on mars there was a talk on the future missions and on Exomars. The point there was that the EDL demonstrator payload has to be small and has to die fast due to the budget restrictions. A 5 day living meterological station or seismometer does not make much sense.
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Futher delay decreases the payload to an extant that a mission with science output is simply impossible. The rover payload drops well below 6kg for a sojus launcher, wich is less than the summ of mass of the two biggest instruments on board. Although I have a good contact to ESTEC the rumor of 2015
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I understand that ESA already has a backup launcher agreement signed with Russia, so If NASA can't deliver its promise of 2 rockets and the MAX-C rover, it is very likely that ESA will simply continue with its original plan to launch ExoMars alone. Do you want to mention
Squyres' assessment in the
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The main text currently says that the delay from 2011 to 2013 will not significantly delay the arrival of the rover on Mars, while my understanding is that there will be a delay of almost two years. If I'm wrong, please say so on here, otherwise I will change the main text.
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2011 seems more and more unlikely. Decision on launch date should be taken early 2007 at the end of the current phase of work. So should be 2013 or even 2015 if decision was taken to switch back to Ariane 5. A pity since performance wise 2011 is much more favorable.Ā :(
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Note in the ref. above that that the 2016 static lander is described as "short-lived" so i doubt it will become part of the MetNet meteorological network. By the way, where did you read it would be a part of MetNet? Thanks,
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