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Rather than a case of inventing things, we have reliable sources that show the title as different names: "First
Minister of Wales", sometimes "First Minister for Wales", "First Minister of the Welsh Assembly Government" and (the most examples) "First Minister". The question is how to name this page,
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where previous acts of parliament have been amended, and they refer to âFirst
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there is an equivalent affirmation that can be used instead, but I can't find its exact wording. Under section 55(4) of the 2006 Act the oath must be made to one of the "Presiding Judges for the Wales and
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What is the exact wording of the oath taken by Rhodri Morgan in May 2007? Did he say it in Welsh or
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He actually headed a minority Labour ministry from 9th
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Ignoring the normal GoodDay nonsense below. The balance of the sources is "of" and that one I reference at the start is very explicit. I think the title is "of" and in general we we should follow use in the sources for each entry.
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For God's sake GoodDay just think before you react and stop playing stupid games. If you had had too much to drink then confess now and we can all forgive you but I can't think of any other reason for this level of stupidity
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It was a bit premature to change the Wales article you known, ideally one should wait a day or so to make sure we have a consensus. Might as well leave it now but like the page move it is best to get agreement first.
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We should not invent things. The reference I found is the WAG site and it says very explicity that "of" was adopted in the Act. First
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