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I have reinstated the POV tag, and have added the 'unreferenced' tag. This article is seriously defective. There is no help for the reader to follow controversies, that is, no references and no bibliography. I personally would not even consider it a "C" class article for those two reasons. There
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Let us not forget that "heretical" and "heresy" are hate words. They are not neutral and descriptive in meaning. They demean and exclude the person or group to which the terms are attached. The article should strive to provide more appropriate terms, however acceptable and even official they may
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Heh. I came here to mention exactly that. There seems to have been significant improvement since Mr. Cowan posted his notice, but the article as a whole, and some sections dealing specifically with 'heretical' sects, are slanted to reflect a Roman
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I have often come across this problem. There are a lot of us out there with a serious interest in religion, real
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