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Movement" should only (or at least primarily) be about a wider political movement; however, as long as you only claim dubious common knowledge and your own opinion as sources for this view, you cannot implement it in Knowledge (The sources you did name do not refer to the larger political movement as "Free Palestine Movement", so they actually reinforce my point. As you say yourself, they call it "Palestine Liberation Movement" or give it other names). This is one of the reasons the 500-rule exists; so that people without sources but a strong political opinion (such as beliefs about as "Zionist conspiracy") cannot push their own, biased views onto somewhat neutral articles. For you to accuse the current article of bias shows that you are certainly biased - This article about an armed group includes hard facts, based on sources from a wide political specture, ranging from pro-Palestinian to pro-Israeli. There is no Zionist conspiracy, just numerous people attempting to build up a somewhat neutral encyclopedia.
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litmus test to a political resistance movement composed of multiple parties and has been around for over a century. The 16 year old armed group that currently features being the only āFree
Palestine Movementā Knowledge page that exists risks misleading the general public into thinking that a long standing, broad-based political movement is limited to a 16 year old armed group of dubious standing. The first paragraph of the current article contains a number of unsubstantiated statements lacking citations (hence questions about its accuracy.) The sources it does refer to appear to be very one-sided and come across as having an ulterior motive (presenting a Zionist narrative as gospel) - hence the non-compliance with Knowledgeās NPOV Policy and questions about neutrality. The NPOV Policy is very clear - it cannot be one rule for some and another rule for others (which is the vibe Iām getting at the moment.) I have already tried to publish the article I am proposing at
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group (existing article). I appreciate your contention that there are already pages referring to some limited aspects of
Palestinian resistance (Palestinian nationalism, Greater Palestine, History of the State of Palestine), but the article I am proposing covers ground that those articles do not (please read it and you will see how.) The effect of Knowledge having only one āFree Palestine Movementā page (the little-known armed group), even if not the intention, is to divert attention away from the Palestinian struggle for liberation from colonialism (the most dominant meaning of the expression) and mislead the public by omitting its history from public view. I suggest my article (see link above) is allowed to be published, that the current page remains as it is and a disambiguation page is introduced. Please confirm whether or not you agree with this request and, if not, why not.
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Palestinians, sure, but the latter does not just exist under one name, and "Free Palestine Movement" is not its official name - because it does not have one. It is a large movement of hundreds of groups, not limited to one name. In contrast, the armed group in question is known only and officially as "Free Palestine Movement". You might think that is dumb and that this group should not use this name, but the simple truth is: We have to use the official names for groups, whether we like it or not. Furthermore, the sources are NOT one-sided; one can hardly claim that the Syrian Arab News Agency (!), and Action Group for Palestinians of Syria (!!) are Zionist - they are literally anti-Israeli. In the end, if your article is accepted then we can add a disambiguation, sure. But before that, this is unnecessary.
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ideologies, not limited to a single armed group of dubious standing) which goes back 100+ years and is the most accurate, dominant and internationally recognised understanding of the term āFree
Palestine Movement.ā The current article is misleading the general public, non-compliant with Knowledgeās NPOV Policy and undermining Knowledgeās credibility. The factual accuracy, neutrality and compliance with Knowledgeās NPOV Policy of the current Free Palestine Movement article are all disputed but instead of letting those tags stand until the dispute is resolved as required by Knowledge guidelines, the tags I have added to the article noting these concerns are simply deleted repeatedly by
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896:(who has threatened me with being blocked from editing three times based on accusations of ādisruptiveā editing and āvandalismā). I have tried to resolve this matter through this talk page, to no avail. I therefore call on other Knowledge editors and subject matter experts to intervene. The solution is in my view simple: instead of gagging dissent and undermining objectivity, allow both the thoroughly researched and professionally written article I have proposed (and which has been published on Knowledge but which
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situation that is misleading its readership and deliberately concealing a historical injustice. The taking of a human life is regrettable whoever the victim and the intention in my article was not to place a higher value on
Palestinian life than Israeli civilian or Jewish life, the intention was to provide a history of Palestinian resistance against colonialism in the face of a vast imbalance of power and wave upon wave of injustice, the effects of which continue to be felt, both online and in the physical world.
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been responded to. If you have problems with that decision, it can be addressed on that page. Or you may propose edits to the
Palestinian nationalism page to cover what you claim it is currently lacking. A disambiguation page seems largely unnecessary unless you get a "Free Palestine movement" (lowercase m) article approved. The 500-edit-history requirement is, in part, to prevent confusion such as this, not as an effort to oppress dissent. (Regarding your proposed article, please visit
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Palestinian movements/ideas/groups with "free", "liberation", "freedom", and so on in their titles, the disambiguation would be, as C.Fred noted, gigantic. "Palestinian liberation" is currently a redirect for Palestinian nationalism, and that is honestly sufficient. However, I am not strictly opposed to a disambiguation page either. I just regard it as mostly useless in this particular case; if other editors want it, we can go and create one.
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904:) and the existing āFree Palestine Movementā page (WITH disputed accuracy, neutrality and POV tags) to stand, and introduce a disambiguation page. The solution is not to silence the truth, however uncomfortable it is, but to encourage and harness multi-dimensional contributions and allow them to flourish. The NPOV Policy is clear. It canāt be one rule for some and another rule for others.17:51, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
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1503:, notwithstanding the tenuous technicality people keep latching onto that the current page is about the specific armed group and not the political resistance movement). In order to address this point, and the potential misinformation and confusion that the status quo is resulting in, can you please create (or grant permission for there to be created) a disambiguation page distinguishing between the current
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2843:(how can you ensure most views on an issue are represented if most are excluded?) but as you have alluded to before, this conflict of Knowledge policies, and questions around innate Zionist bias in Knowledge more broadly, will not be resolved in this RfC/exchange alone. I, and many others, hope that Knowledge will, and strongly urge Knowledge to, give these matters due consideration and modify
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2114:: So, to briefly summarise: Knowledge suffers from innate pro-Zionist bias. This manifests itself in the threats, official response to article proposal, comments and RfC intervention I have received from Knowledge editors (which as a result I have no confidence in and do not view as a truly impartial process). It also manifests itself in Knowledge's discriminatory policies (
2225:"Palestine liberation movement"; sources and article names should be in concert, unless a specific topic has no official name (then it boils down to what name is most often used in sources, or which name is most neutral, or which name is commonly accepted among experts). That is also the reason for the whole issue of "Free Palestine Movement" vs "Free Palestine movement".
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FPM article is about the specific armed movement and not the political resistance movement, that editors on the Arab-Israeli conflict must have a minimum of 500 edits, that I am disruptive or a vandal - the effect is the same: gagging dissent, uncomfortable truths and silencing people who fall on the āwrong sideā of
1963:) to some terrorist groups - 'listen, general public, these are just a bunch of guys with guns and bombs' is in effect what Knowledge is saying - never mind that a majority of world states have recognised their state or a majority of people around the world according to a number of opinion polls support ending
2288:, but also simply in order to properly inform your readership and avoid confusion) on this issue. My position is as set out in my long message sent on 21 July 2019 (copied above), which I await a complete response to. I would also like you to: (1) respond to my request for a disambiguation page between
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I fail to understand what use a "Palestinian liberation" disambiguation page would have, as nobody would ever confuse
Palestinian nationalism with particular groups like the Free Palestine Movement or the Palestinian Freedom Movement. Disambiguation pages are for similiar names, but if we would have
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No offense, but it is always easier to claim that some kind of conspiracy is ongoing than to accept that one's one view is not necessarily correct. Knowledge is based one sourced facts; and so far you have still not provided any for your claims. It is fine for you to think that an article named "Free
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page and the California-based Human Rights organisation of the same name on a Google search and challenges me to provide proof that the term 'free Palestine movement' refers to Palestinian efforts to seek an end to colonial oppression in their occupied territories. Let me explain: (a) Knowledge want
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The current āFree Palestine Movementā article is in effect (whether it is intended to be or not and for reasons already exhaustively explained above) in flagrant breach of this requirement, as would be a decision by Knowledge not to publish my article. So Knowledge can use the excuse that the current
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This article is about a specific group named "Free Palestine Movement". If you want to write an article about another topic, go ahead and do so, but please refrain from destroying this one. This has nothing to do with bias. This group exists, and this is its official name. Furthermore, the article is
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First of all, you claimed on the page that Palestine wants "Israel" not to exist, which is completely wrong! If you study the religion of a country before writing the text, you will find that it is mentioned in "Islam" and the writings of people that you should not destroy the people of Bani Israel,
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article content, it will also not tolerate any suggestion that the article's content is disputed, lacking in neutrality or unbalanced (the 'Disputed,' 'POV' and 'Unbalanced' tags I added to the article on multiple occasions to note this at the top of the article on grounds that there are a number of
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seem to think that decapitalising the 'm' in movement is going to make a difference to my article's chances of success (or at least distinguishing it from the 'proper name' used in the current article) - I do not share their pedantic optimism because I used a small 'm' in my article and it was still
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thank you for recognising that my intentions are to improve Knowledge and not to vandalise it. If there is indeed a rule requiring editors to have made 500 edits before they can publish material on the Arab-Israeli conflict, then I have to take issue with it. How does this make anyone more qualified
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as a separate article and look forward to receiving Knowledgeās response. I am not proposing to ādestroyā the existing article, but have both the existing article and my proposed article exist along with a disambiguation page distinguishing between resistance movement (my proposed article) and armed
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You need to read up on wikipedia policy and guidelines. Your edits are done improperly, includes info not relevant to this particular article, are not as neutral as you claim and you are creating cause for edit-warring. Please do not change this article further without knowledge about how to do this
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Thank you for your message and for confirming the creation of the disambiguation page. This will serve to help properly inform, and avoid confusion on the part of, Knowledgeās readership. This still does not address Knowledgeās discriminatory minimum 500-edit requirement for editors making edits to
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appearing first in the list as the longest standing of the 3. Are you going to create the disambiguation page or should I? The point I was making re the Macdonald disambiguation page is it appears as McDonald, MacDonald and Macdonald (so multiple permutations of the same thing, some featuring upper
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You have still not provided any proof that "Free Palestine Movement" is the official or even widespread name for any Palestinian nationalist movement. In fact, a short google search shows 2 results under this name: This armed group and a California-based human rights organization, already mentioned
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Your edits are unbalanced and you are clearly not following Knowledgeās NPOV Policy in deleting my edits to this article. Ask most people in the world what āfree Palestine movementā means and most people will say Palestinian resistance or words to that effect, NOT mention a Syrian-Palestinian group
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for alleged vandalism and disruptive editing when all I did was edit this article to make it more consistent with a more dominant, widespread, and commonly understood meaning of the term āfree Palestine movement.ā I call on other editors to intervene and allow the article I proposed to be published
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Why are the Palestinian people protesting? Suppose a killer is in your house for several years and puts a knife under your throat, won't you defend yourself?!!! Yes, you defend! Palestine has been surrounded by Israel for 70 years, and because of this, Palestine defended itself for the first time,
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I do not speak for the Arbitration Committee, but I suspect that part of the reason for the 500-edit/30-day minimum is because of past problems with new editors violating NPOV and other Knowledge policies. ArbCom doesn't act in a cavalier fashion, so I am sure they studied the situation thoroughly
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violation. If you have specific neutrality complaints regarding this specific article regarding this specific organization, you should address that on this talk page in a new section. As for a new article to address to overall movement to free Palestine, you have submitted your article and it has
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work. Lastly, I believe there is an arbcom ruling to the effect that editors with fewer than 500 edits are supposed to stay away from the arab-israeli area. I know because I was warned for doing exactly that when I had like 300 edits. Someone who knows the template should put it on the user's talk
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page does not. However, this still does not address my point about Knowledge (in my view deliberately) misleading its readership into thinking that the term āfree Palestine movementā is uniquely a 16 year old armed group and not a long standing movement seeking liberation from colonial oppression
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begrudgingly admits, āfree Palestine movementā is a term used to describe the broader Palestinian resistance movement. My central argument is that it is the most dominant and widely recognised understanding of the term. So Knowledge appears to be digging its heels in with a view to maintaining a
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thank you for taking the time to review and provide feedback. The objective was not to ādestroyā the existing article, as you put it. The objective was to ensure that Knowledge readers are informed that the term āfree Palestine movementā refers most commonly and most dominantly based on a global
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among the armed group's ideologies. The intent is clear: Knowledge wants us to believe that a bona fide movement seeking an end to colonial oppression (which has used civil disobedience and other non-violent means to do so) is nothing but a few guys with guns and bombs, basically terrorists -
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Thank you for tidying up the RfC reference for me and for your informative notes re signatures on talk pages. Forgive me for not always following correct procedure - I am a bit of a luddite but trying to learn something new every day. I am going to attempt to sign off this comment correctly -
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I am not in denial; it is important that the exact name of an article is sourced. "Palestine liberation" and "free Palestine" are not interchangeable here on Knowledge, even if they are used this way elsewhere. You cannot name an article "free Palestine movement" while its sources talk about
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receiving the threats - which is a bit like joining a club, being threatened with being thrown out and then being offered a cup of tea (a frosty and far from genuine welcome to say the least.) I note the point about more than one reversion within 24 hours being banned as edit-warring, but I
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in a concerted effort to mislead and maintain a pro-Zionist narrative, reduce Palestinian efforts seeking freedom from occupation (which have historically been expressed through a variety of non-violent means, such as civil disobedience and efforts to get Knowledge to comply with its
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and my conclusion is that Knowledge suffers from innate, institutional Zionist bias in the content it allows to be published and in its editorial approach to both reviewing content, resolving disputes as well as responding to RfCs (Requests for comments), in breach of its own policy
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as self-explanatorily distinct and would not require a disambiguation page to help distinguish them. Why are hat notes a better mechanism for clearing up the confusion? The MacDonald disambiguation Page entertains multiple spellings so it canāt be a need for an exact nomenclature
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page is a proper name, and that my article should therefore be 'movement' with a small 'm' (which is how it was submitted and rejected.) The term 'Free Palestine movement' is publicly and widely understood to mean Palestinian efforts to seek liberation from occupation -
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Im not doing anything, because i didn't write the article, but you are damaging what is already there. I am reporting you for your actions as you seemingly dont care about my responses or warnings, which makes it seem like you are unwilling to listen to other editors!
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Knowledge not only sees a link between the two but wants us to believe that they are one and the same. This heightens the risk of confusion and the need for disambiguation, so I reiterate my request that Knowledge introduces a disambiguation page distinguishing
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requires you to ensure a balanced representation of all views as far as possible (I have yet to see any sign of compliance with either requirement from Knowledge on this issue), providing supporting reasoning for your decision; (2) Explain how I can comply with
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favours 'institutional' editors who are funded and resourced to spend large amounts of time editing Knowledge and excludes your average Knowledge editor, who may nevertheless know a lot about the Arab-Israeli conflict. I would go as far as to say that
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page, as I have requested), which would add value to Knowledge: (a) has the potential to cause confusion; (b) is indicative of innate pro-Zionist bias; (c) demonstrates that Knowledge does not want to fix the issue; and (d) is in breach of the
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This article is biased and have Zionist influence suggesting that freeing Palestine is a terrorist armed ideology whereas the whole world can see what Israel is doing to the Palestinians: killing, starving, bombing and ethnically cleansing.
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to comment on the issue? This could simply mean that the editor is savvier in the ways of Knowledge or has a lot more time to devote to editing Knowledge, not necessarily that they are better qualified to comment. Let me quote from the
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neutral and objective about the group in question. The "factual accuracy, neutrality and compliance are disputed"? How? Why? You talk about one topic (the Palestinian struggle for independence, covered in many articles such as
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I believe I have now submitted the article to Knowledge for consideration. Apologies if this was not the case before - I only have my advancing years and poor tech skills to use as an excuse for that. The link should be
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It is one movement, in which there are multiple participants, so no list of movements is required. I struggle to understand how you (or, just as importantly, the lay person who knows nothing about the matter could) view
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unsubstantiated statements in the article lacking citations, that the sources are very one-sided, deliberately obstructive of the wider Palestinian resistance narrative and unbalanced were taken down repeatedly by
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The notice at the top of this page shows that the active community sanctions applicable to this article are because it is related to the Syrian Civil War. In such cases, the notice to put on a user's talk page is
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at the top of the article. I have found so far no source according to which the wider movement uses exactly this name, excluding cases were it is simply called "free Palestine movement" in a unofficial capacity.
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No matter what you may believe about any movement to free Palestine, the fact is clear that "Free Palestine Movement" is a proper name and this page referring to only that specific organization is not a
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This might be news to you (I suspect it is) but āPalestine liberationā and āfree Palestineā are interchangeable terms. āLiberationā is a synonym of āfreedom.ā Youāre in denial.
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Thank you for your message and understood. I have proposed a separate article, which I understand is currently under consideration. I await Knowledgeās response with interest.
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which relates to an equally little-known 12 year old Palestinian armed group. Both articles contain unsubstantiated statements, lack citations (in breach of
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