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There can not be two different names for a single one nation.True one is
Terekeme.Qarapapaq is the name of Terekemes living and being assimilated in Azerbaycan, they prefer like this.So there is no KARAPAPAK, but the word is Turkey Turkish of newly created QARAPAPAQ.
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