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Thailand, but this wasn't what they wanted to begin with. There is a cultural bias here that suggests implicitly that American jobs and American education are better than other jobs or educations. It also suggests that immigration is a step up for the Hmong from the status quo ante bellum. This is a contention that doesn't belong in an encyclopedia article, and smacks of American elitism.
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Central Valley of California, or
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the Hmong migration. Even when the farm proposal failed, the Hmong continued to come anyway. There may have been other Hmong leaders who promoted settlement in other
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I've never heard of it, and I'm guessing most people who have been introduced to Hmong culture never have either. Most people's introduction comes from contact with their Hmong neighbors, not from reading books. That said, I don't think overstepping is the word I'd use...I would say, however, that
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usually have much better access to education and jobs than that which their parents had, and thus have better economic opportunities than their parents would have had in their former homes."--because it was unsourced etc. I don't see this as the worst problem with that sentence or with the section
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I think you need to step back from this article for a second. It is very "unencyclopedic." Encyclopedia articles do not cite opinions and feature extensive quotes. Encyclopedias paraphrase secondary sources on important topics. That is not currently what is happening in this article. You are trying
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I don't see how it is encyclopedic or due to include two entire paragraphs on specific organaization that are not notable. I had removed it for the listed reasons but that was reverted so I thought I'd take it to the talk page. What justification is there that this content is due or encyclopedic?
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I am proposing to add a subsection in the “Community and social issues” section on health disparities in the Hmong American population. There is already a subsection on mental health, but I think adding an additional subsection can call to attention the disparity in understanding ‘Western’ versus
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try to paraphrase quotes and ideas whenever possible. But I am cautious on that matter because I do not want to lose the meaning in what people are saying. You could argue that quotations need to be turned into paraphrasing, but it doesn't affect the question "Can this be a standalone article?" I
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Yes, but there are several small cities around the country where Hmong people make up a large portion of the population. I grew up in one such place, Eau Claire, WI. For her to say that Merced is the "most intensely Hmong place" in the US is just an opinion. What about densely populated Hmong
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depression, and/or stress from emigration. The issue of the prevalence of sudden and unexplained deaths during sleep amongst Hmong males should be mentioned. Additional areas that should be covered should include the Hmong's specific needs as well as barriers to accessing mental health care.
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says "The length, depth, and breadth of articles in Knowledge is virtually infinite." Knowledge can, and does go into really specific topics because it has the space and ability to do that. There are topics which wouldn't be included in a paper encyclopedia which are
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She is important because she is the first Hmong-American elected to state legislature. I don't know of any Republican Hmong politcal figures at that level or higher. Just reinstate the picture already. There is no political bias here. (She isn't even running for
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While it is true that the article currently relies too much on one source, it is very, very apparent that it doesn't have to be that way. Over the next few days I'll incorporate information from "The Hmong and Health Care in Merced, California," which is readily
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I'm not advocating for getting rid of the entire section but I don't believe the two entire paragraphs (which is a substantial bit) on various local organazations it due for the article. I'd be curious to hear the perspectives of other editors not us.
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to be opinion. There are many facts in this article are common to Hmong communities around the country and do not make this community stand out. I don't see how it became my job to cut down this article for the merge, but I'm willing to give it a try.
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is also a case where the article should really be merged into a larger article. Probably it should be a part of the existing article on Rabbi Cohen since the article is mainly about him. It is not a good example of what this article should
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neighborhoods in large cities? You might note that Merced has an unusually large percentage of its population that is Hmong on the Merced, California article, but it doesn't contribute to the notability for this article.
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is created, it *may* be possible that "History of the Hmong in Merced" could be merged into that; but I do not support the kinds of merging that have been proposed (merge into Hmong-American and Merced, California) so
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can be shortened enough that its incorporation into this article would avoid overemphasizing Merced. Perhaps Nposs could start something in a talk page or sandbox that shows how this information can be shortened. —
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more population data about Hmong Americans if readers want to learn more. Not every city with a Hmong community needs to be listed. Now this information should be accessible with the links provided.
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within the context of the section, and I plan to continue research to help develop this part of the article to help support the inclusion. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you,
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article. The details are really more specific to it. The section on The Spirit Catches You ... could probably be expanded in the Hmong American article to include some of the detail here, though.
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