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was married, neither a man nor a woman". There's also the fact that the papyrus is a thousand years newer than the tomb of the two men.... and has no more bearing than a modern law could be interpreted as normative in Anglo-Saxon times. By the time we get to 1200 BCE, Egyptian attitudes had changed from the Set/Horus story and widespread acceptance to the idea that it was humiliating to be the recipient of anal intercourse, through to phrases that were insults around homosexuality. It's been suggested that this came about because the
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Re disputed with the serpent " Him who is in his burning,' and his mouth was injured, and that is how the reduction in the month came about. He said to the serpent: "I will take my harpoon, which men will inherit,' and that is how the harpoon came into being. The serpent said : " The Two
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I have spent yesterday among the great ones, I have become Khepri, I have cleared the vision of the Sole Eye, I have opened up the circle of darkness. I am one of them, I know the Souls of
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I took away the stuff about N&K being the FIRST homosexual couple in the HISTORY OF THE WORLD because that seems like a relatively strong conclusion to draw on small evidence, and combined with the picture it makes the article seem very centered on this one relationship. I also changed the header
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Although that text appeared in the 1901 translation, i think we have to remember it's part of a speech by Nu, and is not a general prohibition - and also that it doesn't seem to appear in all surviving papyri. Given the context, though, it could presumably mean, "I have not had sex with someone who
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It so happened that He of the red cloth heard, and his arm was not stopped. He transformed himself into a woman with braided hair, and that is how the priest of
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Sorry, but who wrote this section? " Seth invites Horus to a party and convinces the teenage Horus to drink more than Horus could normally cope with. When Horus is drunk, Seth seduces him to sleep over the night in one bed together. When lying together in one bed, Seth grabs Horus and rapes him."
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I don't think merging would be a good idea. Niankhkhnum and
Khnumhotep's alleged homosexuality isn't the only LGBT-related thing in ancient Egypt, there was the story of Horus and Seth, and the one about Pharaoh Neferkare and a general. –
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A boring task, but the benefit of doing it is that you can set the dates !(e.g., why say Khufu lived 2589-2566? As long as you keep the length of his reign correct, or cite a respected source, you can date it 2590-2567 or 2585-2563)
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But it has been argued, and i think shown not to be plausible by other (and later) scholars. In addition, if one is noticeably older than the other they aren't identical twins :) (but might be half-brothers from different mothers).
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In number 11 of The 42 Negative Confessions (from The Papyrus of Ani), it is written: "I have not committed adultery, I have not lain with men."
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