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possible for their respective audiences. I would be most comfortable if the statistics came from an agency like Statistics Canada. I really don't see the point in putting out information that isn't concrete... even if the estimate is "accurate", because it's based on a formula, not an actual population survey, which only occurs during the census (..., 1991, 1996, 2001, 2006, etc.). Estimated population info that varies widely from source to source is an ongoing problem with Knowledge articles on Canadian communities. Look at many U.S. articles, and you'll see they are sourced with the hard census figures and there is very little talk about estimated population. I don't see why we can't be content to take a similar approach for consistency. The current approach we take in Canada is pretty amature and not very convincing. The 2006 census figures will be out within a few months, and population is among the first statistics scheduled for release.
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stopping for pedestrians willy-nilly across the region. Try jay-walking out at Dunbrack & Lacewood, or on Portland Street, or on Highway 1 in Timberlea or Highway 7 in Westphal, or Wyes Road, etc. and you'll quickly and unfortunately find that drivers are the exact same as any other urban centre in North America. I've raised this issue before in what is now the archived discussion section. Unless we can empirically prove that drivers are courteous and all-loving to pedestrians, I doubt it needs to be mentioned, as I'm sure such tendencies exist on certain streets in many other urban areas too and they don't warrant mentioning. At the very least, this section should be merged and pared down as it does not realistically portray the situation one iota.
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boroughs of New York into a single city. There, "New York County" is synonymous with the Borough of Manhattan, while residents of Brooklyn use "Brooklyn, NY" as their address rather than "New York, NY" even though Brooklyn is a part of the city of New York, and many others, too many to mention here. Halifax, Nova Scotia should refer to something, and I think it makes most sense for it to refer to both the old city of Halifax and the new municipality as a whole, depending on context. It should not be considered _incorrect_ for persons of the area to claim to be "from Halifax, Nova Scotia". It must be agreed by many that "I come from Halifax Regional Municipality" sounds very ugly.
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Distrists do in the rest of Nova Scotia . Halifax and HRM are separate .Halifax is not HRM nor is HRM - Halifax . Halifax Nova Scotia is the place it always it has been - so is dartmouth Nova Scotia and the rest the communities . Nothing change in 1996 except what is the Municipal Government nothing else .This well documented on both the Nova Scotia and Halifax Regional Municipality websites . A place name in Nova Scotia does not mean it is a municipality or vice versa. The fact is Halifax Nova Scotia is an actual place name but its a part of the area of the Halifax Regional Municipality. --
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confident in official stats from census figures, many community articles in Knowledge are susceptible to population inflation by editors who are quasi-"civic boosters". If I were really enamoured with HRM becoming a mega centre, then what is to prevent me or anyone else from going in and saying the 2006 estimate is 450,000, or the 2010 estimate is 525,000, etc. etc.? I think we need an official policy stating that community population stats are only based on the most recent released census figures, with appropriate URL link to the source and avoid any and all "estimates".
1316:. HRM and the NS government do have different terms for them . Also the article "Halifax Regional Municipality" should have not be redirected from "Halifax, Nova Scotia" because it should go to the article "Halifax (former city) " which is no different than "North Pole Alaska" as been a place rather than a Municipal unit which confuses a person who wants to find information on Halifax the place than Halifax the Regional Municipality. After people in Eastern Passage get thier mail addressed to Eastern Passage, Nova Scotia not Halifax, Nova Scotia .-- 472:
dumb to wander through the province and conclude "Hmm, no cities here." There is at least one city inside the boundaries of Halifax county, whether or not it has any legal status. (These kind of cities tend to be vaguely bounded, so I won't guess whether there are one, two, or three.) "Halifax, Nova Scotia" should be an article about the city which formerly was formerly a legal entity and capital of Nova Scotia, and is now merely a (roughly defined) cultural entity inside the new "municipality" capital. This "former city" stuff is an aberration.
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amalgamation, on a dark blue background, and includes the arrows from the Bedford Flag, the ship from the Dartmouth flag, the Kingfisher from the Halifax flag, and the cross from the provincial flag for the county. It is so ugly it hurts. The Halifax logo is the HRM corporate logo, which is different from the HRM livery, ie flag and coat of arms. However, the flag is so ugly that even the HRM uses the corporate logo flag instead.
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peninsula/Citadel/Capital district, Spryfield/Mainland South and Fairview Clayton Park are all administered separately and doing TOTALLY different things. It is confusing that we have County wide shire level government, but its also the way it is, it is the cold hard facts. There is no legal framework or common usage that can be used to justify presenting these facts in any other way than they are right now.
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Cole Harbour/Westfall Hammonds Plains/Upper Sackville/Beaverbank Shuenacadie Lakes Prospect Road Chebucto Peninsula Preston/Cherrybrook/Lake Loon/Lake Major Lake Echo/Porters Lake Lawrencetown Eastern Shore (West) Eastern Shore (East) Musquodobout Valley/Dutch Settlement Then each neighborhood or community would then be listed under the appropriate article. What do you say?
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On reading the page there too little information on areas outside the Halifax Peninsula . Does the Halifax Regional Municipality consist only of Halifax , Dartmouth and Bedford ? The page should reflect on the whole of the area of the Halifax Regional Municipality not just the area around high rise
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Halifax is "an inhabited place of greater size, population, or importance than a town or village". In a word, it is a city, by the common understanding of what is a city. Consulting a dictionary on this was scarcely useful and noting that Halifax fails to meet any of the more particular definitions
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HRM administors Halifax separately from the rest of the HRM . There may be no city of Halifax or Dartmouth but they still exist as communities and their bylaws are still on the books but its the HRM council that controls the municipal Government nothing different that the other counties and Municipl
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I'm not so sure we're the crime capital, but Haligonian streets are dangerous (especially at night). Last summer dozens of people reported being ganged by young people and an American was killed downtown a few months ago, not to mention all the taxi drivers. There are probably a hundred more examples
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I've created sub-articles for most sections requiring them, placing links to these from the main article. The main article could still use refinement to get a good flow for readers but it's not nearly as long as it was before. I've also created new categories to place related articles into - please
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The flag with the bird is not the Halifax Regional Municipality flag its the former city of Halifax flag and is not used by HRM , the flag with the HRM logo is the official flag and is used officially at all HRM building ,fire and police station. The Halifax city went with the the city of Halifax and
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Okay after studying the issue this week, I propose that the top article on HRM should have the planning areas/communities that HRM currently uses... each of these would then in turn be its own article, many of which already exist: Bedford Dartmouth Halifax Timberlea/Lakside/Beechville Eastern Passage
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Speaking as an American who just learned about this change of political geography in Nova Scotia when coming to this article, I notice that this situation (what to call the region, which is the "official" part, what does the old name now refer to, etc.) seems quite similar to the consolidation of the
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One should note that some Knowledge articles with lists of Canadian population centres, etc., reference "Cape Breton, Nova Scotia" - the authors of these lists have used the incorrect name as "Cape Breton, Nova Scotia" could refer to the island, the headland, the CBRM, or anything else in Nova Scotia
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So in sum, I think it makes more sense for article about the specific place to be at Halifax, NS with HRM staying where it is and with clear disambiguation statements in both. If not that, then Halifax, NS should probably be a disambiguation page, although that seems a bit over the top to distinguish
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The fact that one database uses the old place name (thus far) is not enough of an argument. Besides, the directory you are referring to does not call it the "city of Halifax" it just calls it "halifax". There is a Halifax, Nova Scotia article, that covers off on the "community" inside of HRM, that
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As I have said before, there is still a community of Halifax, which is increasingly being considered to be just the community on the peninsula. It is not yet clear how these trends will go, but it is not our job to predict it, we report it. Until there is a common usage we cannot report it as "the
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would likely not follow some type of general statement about cities, if population were taken into consideration exclusively. Re. the redirect, I'm not quite sure what Haligonians vs. HRM'ers would wish for the "Halifax, Nova Scotia" article to point to... It points at HRM for now because we found
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3) We (WayeMason, myself and others) chose to redirect Halifax, NS to the HRM article since so many edits relating to HRM were finding their way onto the Halifax, NS article - this was wrong as the HRM comprises a far, far larger and more geographically (and culturally and economically) diverse area
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This is an error which the current system of page-naming only serves to perpetuate ("former city", etc.). There were cities before there were any legally incorporated, documented, or defined entities. There are, it is correct to say, no "legal cities", or no "official cities". But it would be simply
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1 a : an inhabited place of greater size, population, or importance than a town or village b : an incorporated British town usually of major size or importance having the status of an episcopal see c capitalized (1) : the financial district of London (2) : the influential financial interests of the
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and making a new article that pertains to the entire HRM region, which includes such areas as Bedford, Sackville, Dartmouth, and such other places. The name should be the same as this current article. It may just be easier to make a new article for City of Halifax, Nova Scotia, than to make one for
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A few days ago I removed the estimated 2006 population for HRM (385,000) because there was no official source (ie. Statistics Canada). I see where an anonymous editor has reinstated it, defending this because it is an "estimate". While I would be interested to know what it's based on, and am only
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This occurred in 1969 when Fairview and Rockingham and Spryfield were merged into Halifax. This same approach could have been used in Cape Breton whereby we would have a larger City of Sydney. Unfortunately this wasn't the case and we have the regional municipality model, and people refer to their
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These regional municipalities are not cities, since they contain a mixture of urban and rural settlements. What would have been more logical (for the sake of Wikipedians not from this region, struggling to understand Nova Scotia municipal politics) is if it had been a straight-forward amalgamation
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CBRM takes its name from Cape Breton County, and aside from 2 First Nations, is the only municipal unit within that county - exactly the same model that HRM is based upon. Note that HRM takes its name from Halifax County, and NOT the former city of Halifax. In short it is a new entity and Halifax
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a - Halifax is now a contiguous conurbation stretching from out towards Chebucto head, west to Timberlea, and up the harbour toward Bedford. The whole metro Halifax conurbation is a city, but the old city of Halifax has been absorbed into this larger unit b - Halifax is not incorporated c - it is
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HRM is replacing all the old pre-amalgamation units bylaws as time passes. If you look here you will see that for planning purposes that the Chebucto Community Council and the Halifax Peninsula Community Council are the two separate planning groups for the former mainland of City of Halifax and
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2) The official name given for the community is HRM, not "Halifax". Politicians, media and residents alike, collectively refer to it as HRM when describing the area, so it's not a mere government body. HRM takes its name from Halifax County, not the former city. The model for this situation was
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4 - I think as I have said elsewhere in the past that eventually Spryfield, Fairview and Rockingham areas will not be refered to as a part of "old Halifax" or the "Capital District" or whatever, but that is for the public to decide, we are simply not there yet, and while it may come some day it is
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I would like to open a debate on the name once more. Maybe we should separate the article as it pertains to HRM, and not include all areas in an article that's being confused for a city and not a Municipality. I propose editing this article, or making a new one to reflect the Halifax city region,
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or other 188 + place within the HRM itself which is a very large place . The whole thing would confusing to combine the history of these communities that its simpler to just write the history of Bedford and keep it separate from Halifax or Dartmouth . The history of these communities often do not
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No, my friend. The blue kingfisher flag, just a yellow bird, outlined lightly in black, on a very light blue background, with no stupid arrows, windjammers and st andrews crosses, was the City of Halifax flag. The one you are concerned about is the HRM flag, which was created by committee after
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Having been living in Halifax I find some of the articles that not in Halifax proper are being referenced so far from "Halifax" but the link goes to Halifax Regional Municipality . This is confusing to the people who are reading . I suggest using the link to downtown as a reference to Halifax the
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The big obstacle to having a separate Halifax, NS entry is that a lot of Wikipedians who are not aware of the difference between HRM and Halifax, NS will unintentionally edit the former city article with present-day information that might pertain to the entire HRM. The municipal amalgamation was
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Naming it something other than "Halifax Regional Municipality" would cause more problems than it would solve . I live in Markham now and lived in Armdale before it became HRM, to me and others its still Armdale and Halifax is still Halifax . There is a difference between Halifax the community and
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The way I understand is that HRM is not the place but the region were the muncipal services are provided with the boundaries of the old County of Halifax which by the way does not exist anymore .Halifax is a "place" or community and any Nova Scotia Map and road signs separates it from Dartmouth
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No, I live in Halifax. I'm not disputing North American Development Group's figures on www.dartmouthcrossing.com, nor the Greater Halifax Partnership on www.greaterhalifax.com, but these groups are hardly unbiased and it's in their best interest to "boost" the numbers to appear as optimistic as
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I placed a cleanup tag on this section because I just don't feel that it reasonably describes HRM. It might describe one or two streets with high pedestrian vs. vehicle counts (such as the east end of Spring Garden Road, or part of lower Barrington Street), but by and large, you don't have cars
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The community and neighbourhoods section is garbage. What are we talking about here? Every dot on a map? Every dot + neighbourhoods? Every dot plus neighbourhoods plus neighbourhoods that do not even exist anymore? I am going to try and edit this this week, I think it looks horrible, and is
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The names for CBRM and HRM have a common thread - the term "Regional Municipality" is prominent. Everyone refers to these locations using either the full title, or the initials... It's clunky, but politically palatable for residents of outlying communities that were amalgamated with the larger
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First, as someone from out-of-province, I want to understand something. What is, legally and technically, the current capital of Nova Scotia? Is it HRM, or is it the old city Halifax within HRM? I think it's the former, and my past comments are based on that, because everything else I've seen
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Well this discussion page has become quite a mess in the past few months... Are there any suggestions for how to organize the various threads in a coherent fashion? I'm sure that I'm not the only one finding it very difficult to follow the discussion! I haven't been as active in Knowledge in
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Are you from Moncton Plasma East, because I noticed it's numbers were inflated for a long time now until it was recently fixed. The fact is that population estimates are not random numbers, but accurate estimations based on the population growth rate of an area. If you would like to find the
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4) I don't really have any suggestions for how this situation could be improved... The name is cumbersome - agreed. It's the name being used by the municipality, so unless one writes to Mayor Kelly (the former mayor of the town of Bedford, which doesn't exist any longer, and who is an ardent
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1) There is only one municipal unit within Halifax County (aside from 2 First Nation reserves) and that is the HRM. All others have ceased to exist as incorporated communities, however their names live on, given the multi-century history of some of these settlements. I think this settles the
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Seeing as 75% of the population of HRM, and 40% of the economic activity in the province does take place in the urban area, I think its only natural that the article mostly talk about the urban area. I think the rural northeast needs to be strengthened, and I was working on that today in the
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Personally, I'd be inclined to give preference to the more specific place over the governmental entity for the name "Halifax, Nova Scotia", with very clear and prominent disambiguating links to HRM. From what I've seen of very casual browsing, the name HRM is used to describe the governmental
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estimates you can check www.greaterhalifax.com, www.dartmouthcrossing.com, or many others just search google for it. The fact is HRM has grown well above 360,000 since 2001 and 385,000 is a very accurate estimate of its population currently and is more informative than data from 6 years ago.
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from last August on the difference between Halifax and HRM to provide the most compelling reasons I've yet read for not equating "HRM" with "Halifax". In particular, the fact that people from the HRM use "Halifax" exclusively to refer to the former city and HRM to refer to the municipality.
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Its not a city in fact there no cities in Nova Scotia they are Regioanal Municipalities Halifax Regional Municipality is just the local municipal government. HRM has 188 plus communities which the histories are entirely separate and Canada Post does not deleiver mail to the Halifax Regional
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The logic behind the naming of the current set of articles (HRM, Halifax NS redirect to HRM, and Halifax NS - former city) relates to the fact that they were getting a very incoherent mish-mash of information from well-intentioned contributors, but it was making for a very confusing article
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As I have said for the last 2 years, the fact is that the facts are confusing. There is no city of Halifax. Period. It ceased to exist in 1996. There is only HRM. That is all there is. You cannot talk about the former city of Halifax like that matters, as far as planning goes, the
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Unfortunately this probably needs to be acknowledged, though it is important that we do not editorialize or presuppose cause for this. It is a relatively new issue, or, rather, its an old issue that is now much worse, so we have to be very conscious to not sensationalize or do anything
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confusing. We need to describe what is actually there as clearly as possible, but unfortunately, to be factually accurate requires presenting this confusing situation that is not easily comparable or understandable to someone unfamiliar with recent municipal history in Nova Scotia...
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Halifax (Geographic County) was one of the five original counties of Nova Scotia created by Order in Council on 17 August 1759. The boundaries of Halifax (Geo. Co.) contains Halifax (Mun. Co.) which was dissolved by the creation of Halifax Regional Municipality by Bill 3 on 1 April
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I also hesitate to jump back into this entire debate as WayeMason and I (along with several others) were heavily involved in it during the last go-around (see the top of this discussion page). A couple of things jump out at me that should bear repeating, so here goes:
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I do understand there is fishing , farming , and other non urban communities . Places like Peggys Cove and Sable Islan are part of this are . If a particular place is being it should include all whats in the area reguardless what the population and economic numbers are
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authority--so I do not think it is appropriate to move HRM to Halifax, NS. I suppose that having Halifax, NS as some sort of disambiguation page *might* work, but from how it is described above, I think there might be a lot of unnecessary overlap with the HRM article.
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The current set of articles was the most logical solution we could come up with, that would convey the information and reinforce the distinctions between what existed pre and post 1996, while channelling the contributions of other Wikipedians into the appropriate
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Just before 7:20 p.m., a man slipped and fell while crossing the street at the intersection of Young and Isleville streets and couldn’t get up in time to avoid a car that drove over his legs, police said. The driver made no attempt to stop. The victim called 911
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That seems to be my feeling too. When people in HRM refer to "Halifax", they are mostly referring to the former city of Halifax. Residents of Sheet Harbour or Lower Sackville or Dean refer to their respective community names, but they are part of the wider
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As an aside - my personal feeling is that the Chebucto area (the former mainland) is going to strengthen in identity, and Halifax will become just the peninsula, with it's North, South and West ends of Halifax. But thats not fully common usage yet...
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Then at about 9:20 a.m. Tuesday, two women were hit in a crosswalk at South Park and Brenton streets. One of the women, a 24-year-old, was dragged for several metres underneath the northbound car, leaving her with an injured arm and serious cuts and
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3 - I read recently that Nova Scotia officially has no CITIES. None! Because we have shire style county level governments. I want to point out that while this is confusing because it is somewhat unique, its also the facts. We have no city here.
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Why are there so many "See also" pages? Why not just include them in here? I had a devil of a time trying to find the history of Halifax, the city, and eventually found it (and added the link to it). It seems like a weird way to organize a page
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Initially we kept the Halifax, NS article alongside the HRM article, but there was duplicate information being added, thus the decision to redirect to the HRM article and place the historic information pertaining to the former city into
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The same ambiguity now appears to surround the term "Halifax, Nova Scotia", since this could refer to the HRM, the former city of Halifax, the Halifax Peninsula, or anything else in Nova Scotia that contains the word "Halifax" within
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I don't know what you're trying to accomplish with this sort of behaviour. If you actually read what I wrote above, you'd see that option #2 addresses the issue of clearly distinguishing HRM from Halifax, which seems to be your main
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Dartmouth (City now Metropolitan Area) was incorporated in 1873. Name confirmed 1 March 1921. Status changed to Metropolitan Area when the City was dissolved by the creation of Halifax Regional Municipality on 1 April 1996 by Bill
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Bedford (Town now Urban Community) was approved 1 March 1921. Incorporated as a town 1 July 1980. Status changed to Urb. Comm. (2) when the Town was dissolved by the creation of Halifax Regional Municipality by Bill 3 on 1 April
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From your other contributions, e.g. to Nova Scotia highway articles, you seem to actually want to contribute to the Knowledge project. So why don't you put the sockpuppet accounts aside and discuss the issue rationally here?
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Halifax (City now Metropolitan Area) was incorporated in 1841. Confirmed 1 March 1921. Status changed to Metropolitan Area when the City was dissolved by the creation of Halifax Regional Municipality on 1 April 1996 by Bill
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2 - HRM is the legal entity so even if we have a Halifax Nova Scotia page, we still need an HRM page, because it is absolutely incorrect to have the government, culture, media stuff for HRM on the Halifax or any other page.
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The first of the mishaps happened at about 5:45 p.m. when a woman was struck in a crosswalk on Coburg Road, Halifax Regional Police said. The impact threw her into the air and she suffered hip and leg injuries, police
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5 - Talking about the Capital District, that is the name used by the province and HRM for the peninsula area. So the capital of Nova Scotia might arguable be the Capital District of Halifax Regional Municipality.
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Municipality unless its addressed as the communities just like the other Regional Municipalities in Canada. The City of Halifax does not exist .Further more the municipality is noy all urban -its mostly rural--
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many Wikipedians, some from and many not from the municipality, were editing the "Halifax, Nova Scotia" article with information that belonged under HRM. It isn't correct, but it seemed to work at the time.
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the former peninsula of City of Halifax... further if you go here you can see again that for planning purposes of staff and for service delivery that the former city is now treated as two separate areas.
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It seems pretty clear that the Halifax Regional Municipality is NOT synonymous with the place commonly known as Halifax. There is some overlap, but Halifax the place is distinct from HRM, the governmental
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Not ---- The community of Halifax follows the old City of Halifax boundaries according to the civic addressing department of HRM . Look around the civic address website listing of the street of Halifax
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So should the Knowledge definition govern Nova Scotia articles, or the Nova Scotia gov't definition? Every jurisdiction has a different definition. I notice that Knowledge articles on cities like
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I guess the 2006 Census resolves this debate. I would hope that a policy is enacted by Knowledge before we go through similar issues of inflated population estimates during the inter-census years.
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British economy d : a usually large or important municipality in the United States governed under a charter granted by the state e : an incorporated municipal unit of the highest class in Canada
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states it differently . Dartmouth even before it was dissolved as a city was part of "Metro Halifax" and still is .Acording to the HRM website both Halifax and Dartmouth are separate communities
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If we accept that a city is "an inhabited place of greater size, population, or importance than a town or village" then the city you are talking about is the whole of urban HRM, is it not?
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the Cape Breton Regional Municipality amalgamation immediately prior. If Halifax County had been called something other than "Halifax", we wouldn't be having this discussion right now! :-)
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is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Knowledge policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
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not the city of London! :) d - is not under a charter (its under two or three, Halifax Mainland and Halifax peninsula, and maybe the Capital district) e - again, it is not incorporated.
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is a mess. I can repair the grammar and typos but I’ve neither the time nor energy to re-structure it. The page appears to have been badly mauled by the frequently-blocked contributor
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way it is." But it is clear there is no "city of Halifax" and legally, planning and common usage there is no 'community of Halifax' that matches the entire area of the old city.
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Shortly after 8 p.m., a man walking in a crosswalk at Cogswell and North Park streets was hit by a car and knocked to the pavement, police said. He was treated for minor injuries.
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for this example, if I understood the geography right). Separate articles for each neighbourhood is overkill and not appropriate for a global encyclopedia. Maybe take a look at
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is that the Chebucto area (the former mainland) is going to strengthen in identity, and Halifax will become just the peninsula, with it's North, South and West ends of Halifax.
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and the rest should be small and strictly focused on local information. Contributors should ask themselves, “Is this item of significance to the metropolitan area? (e.g.,
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and etc. No one outside HRM does not have a clue what the urban core is nor people in the HRM refer to it as the Urban Core but the communities name they refer to .--
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and make it an article about the current community of Halifax within the HRM. I would think most historical information about the city before the HRM should go in
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This is further to my point regarding the Cape Breton Regional Municipality (aka CBRM) and how it relates to this discussion of the naming of the HRM article.
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of a city is even less so. It meets the common definition, and that is both obvious and enough. For those hung up on official delineations, the one
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forced upon the entire county in 1996 and the name HRM was, and remains, a compromise name to allow all communities in the county to feel inclusive...
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Later Tuesday, a 16-year-old girl was taken to hospital with a broken leg after she was struck while crossing Chain Lake Drive just after 6 p.m.
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people use "Hamilton" to refer exclusively to the former neighbouring city before amalgamation, yet the whole amalgamated city resides in WP at
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What if we use the HRM planning areas, which are the sections you see on the map, on the page? Then put communities under appropriate area?
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Halifax Regional Municipality and the people on my mailing list do not have " Halifax Regional Municipality" on thier adresses yet.
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Getting back to the question of reorganization, we should try and come up with a vision for what these articles should look like.
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Friends and collegues, sorry I have been gone for so long... I do live event management stuff and work all summer... after the
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I happened to see this change and I'm wondering if someone can explain its exact meaning. As it stands, it's quite ambiguous:
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I'm currently leaning towards #2, but I could be swayed in different directions. As I said, what I most want to see is that
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that I can't think of at the moment, too. There should definitely be mention of Halifax's record somewhere in the article.
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Thanks for the response. What exactly, is the formal name of the capital of Nova Scotia? Is it "Halifax" or the HRM? --
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Six pedestrians were hit by cars while crossing Halifax streets in a 24-hour period beginning at suppertime Monday.
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The vehicle had a green light and the girl was walking against the light, Sgt. David Reynolds said Tuesday night.
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I've re-archived this talk page, this time using a page move rather than cut-and-paste. The archive is now at
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supporter of the HRM concept) requesting the official name be modified, we really don't have much of a choice.
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In conclusion, I want to remind everyone need to report on what is actually there. What is actually there is
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Here's some new information that could aid or cause more confusion as to the status of the name "Halifax.":
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for some ideas as to what should get its own article and what should be combined into a "parent" article.
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It's also high time that someone archived the older material on this page. I'd do it myself if I knew how.
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Shouldn't there be a part about the Halifax Explosion? I didn't see it here,but I might have missed it.
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It can be divided up into local sections like the "Eastern shore " or another page would be an idea .--
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1 - the capital is "Halifax" on old documents, and increasingly "HRM" in new with caveats, see below.
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I propose adding a reference to Halifax's dubious distinction as the violent crime capital of Canada
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Why are the coordinates in the top right corner of the page different from the ones in the infobox?
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Why are true comments that are negetive towards renaming been deleted against Knowledge policy ?--
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to say Halifax, inside of the old boundaries, is a city. You could create a new article called
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18:33, 5 December 2006 (UTC) You will find the "history of Halifax, the city" in the article
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Thanks. It will be great right up till city hall changes the g-d planning areas, AGAIN! :)
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This has resulted in modern high rises being built in unusual locations like halifax.
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I think someone needs to go through and combine all the neighbourhood articles (e.g.
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An 83-year-old man was ticketed for failing to yield to pedestrians in a crosswalk.
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is over I will be back at the same level as last spring. So, moving forward....
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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This is probably common for recent amalgamations (certainly in my hometown of
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All were injured. In one case, a car drove over a man’s legs and took off.
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recent months but do try to check in on some articles from time to time.
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Is this a mistake? A demonym can't have a density... can it?
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Police are still investigating the incident as a hit and run.
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