386:: I understand that the "official" spelling is iTunes, but like any word which is not ordinarily capitalized, it should be capitalized when it begins a sentence. I don't believe that there are any style authorities that would agree with making "iTunes" an exception to this universal rule of English mechanics. No style authority I have ever encountered permits anything other than capital letters at the beginning of sentences. Most don't even allow numerals to begin sentences. The reason for this is clearāsentence breaks are an important cue when scanning text, and sentences that don't begin with capital letters are harder to find. While companies are free to flout the norms of written English in their marketing materials, Knowledge adheres the norms of English usage, not trendy marketing-inspired typographical whims. If you wish to revert to the sentences with initial "i", I suggest you cite a reputable style authority that sanctions that usage. I'd also suggest that if people are averse to sentence-initial "IPod" and "ITunes", then rather than break the rule, the sentences should be recast so more ordinary words appear first in the sentence.
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reported to him that Apple had allowed them to download their songs again. Sure enough, a couple days later all the tracks I've ever bought were waiting for me to download. I haven't seen this reported anywhere yet, so I'm not sure how to address the inaccuracy. Should the complaint just be struck from the article until this becomes better known? --
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Does anyone know how to merge the music and videos libraries into just a single library, so I can see both in the same window? v6 was fine with it, but now it's taking up way too much space in the playlist window. It also turns out that it's organizing all of my videos into the "Videos" folder, under
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To clarify what I'm saying here, this is akin to starting out the Martin Luther King Jr. article with "Martin Luther King Jr. was a notable black man..." Is it true? Sure. But go ahead and make that change. And then watch the backlash. I'm sure it'd be impressive. There's no reason iTunes (and
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This means that these features are much harder to access. Why did Apple do this? The new fatures in iTuens 7 are good, but wish they didn't remove the buttons! So frustrating... If they wanted to 'clean up' the interface for ppl who don't use those features much, they should at least have an option
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Protected MPEG-4 video (H264)1." Besides the "1" at the end of this line (what is that for?), there seems to be a mistake in the bit rate. I don't have enough info to know what the true state of affairs is, but on the one ITMS video that I
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Hello, in bothe the iTunes and the iTunes history articles, I added that iTunes 7.0.0 dropped Mac OS 10.2 support. Anyway, does anyone know what versions of iTunes dropped support for 10.0 and later, 10.1? (I do not mean the last version for those platforms; I mean the first version to not support
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When I checked out this article, I noticed that there were some typographical errors. I corrected some of them. Unfortunately I don't have the time right now since I'm using a school computer. I would like to have this article to have a complete spelling and grammar checking just in case there are
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Although it works, iTunes is not offically compatible or supported with Vista. Apple's site gives a warning message to anyone on Vista (even recent builds) that they need 2000 or XP. The iTunes download pages also states that the
Windows download is only compatible with 2000 and XP. Besides, there
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An unknown editor attempted to create a criticism section however, it was poorly written, contained stereotypes and what appeared to be editor opinion, and the sources were either out-of-date or from some little-known blogger's opinion. It's ok to have criticisms in the article but as the section
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The article raises the minor complaint that users can not re-download songs purchased from the iTunes Music Store that they've lost. I have a first hand experience that says otherwise. When my PowerBook's hard drive was replaced, my local dealer suggested I contact Apple, because some customers
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Okay, I did a quick search of the talk page and the archive and this doesn't seem to have come up before, but am I alone in thinking that prefacing "digital media player application" (which is ridiculous wording in its own right) with "proprietary" is a bit..um..loaded? Browsing through other
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them). I feel this is important for users of those platforms, so they can see what is the latest version of iTunes they may use. I think iTunes dropped 10.0 support very early on, perhaps the last release of v3? And I know 10.1 support went to at least to v4.x... Anyway, any ideas? Thanks,
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In addition, there REALLY should be a mention (at least in passing) of the
Grouping feature. I just discovered it yesterday, and it's incredible. It needs mentioning, but I have no information on when it was implemented, so I've no idea how to integrate it into this article.
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Well I think that sentences that start with lowercase letters are ugly. However, our personal aesthetic preferences are not really a good way to implement policy. Please provide a source or a reference to a style guide that permits sentences beginning with lowercase letters.
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24 hours after airing as well as the collection from past seasons. Since then, Apple's collection of television shows has expanded. iTMS also gives the ability to view Apple's large collection of movie trailers. Format for purchased Videos is 128 kbit/s
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No, though they should be linked to each other, there is too much information in these to merge them. Merging is usually done to get rid of short articles; both of these are quite long. You can use iTunes without the store, even if it's a major functionality
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Give both discs the same album name (and artist, etc.). Then mark them (in the appropriate fields) as disc 1 of 2 and disc 2 of 2. If you sort your library by album, the tracks will all show up in the proper order, with the second disc following the first.
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He hasn't changed his mind on those at the start of sentences...he's only saying that he has softened his stance on terms like iMac in general. Since you are using this reference, would you write "van Gogh" at the beginnning of a sentence?
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Can anybody see why the references aren't showing up, in either IE or Firefox? I copied & pasted from the current article of the day, still no refs appear. I want to tag this for Version 0.5, but only once the refs are visible. Thanks,
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It is factually accurate -- the Gracenote service can't be turned off. And he has not just edited the word "controversially" -- but removed all mention of the non-optional, spyware-like behavior of the new Gracenote implementation.
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For some strange reason iTunes (windows) is not letting me edit some of the songs info. All of the music files that wont let me edit are ones that i have put in via CD. Anyone have any ideas on why this is and how it can be fixed?
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If a CD's tracks are untagged (the info is empty), can you tag them in iTunes by finding and grouping the tracks in the same CD so you can edit their info as a group, assuming the tracks' filenames do not share any common words?
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I think the articles iTunes and iTunes Store (prevesoly knowen as iTMS) shoude be merged into iTunes. Due to most people access Tunes Store using iTunes, and they need the software to get the content onto their iPos or CD.
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Actually, the Macintosh version is 7.0 (70) and the Windows version is 7.0.0.70, following each platform's version numbering semantics. I agree with Stuph though, the public, cross-platform version number is simply 7.0.
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Can you provide a source of any style guide that sanctions beginning sentences without capital letters? I think it's quite silly to regard "English sentences begin with capital letters" as an "incorrect opinion".
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Just the latest logo, please. I think it's representative enough of all of the iTunes releases so far. Individual, older logos may go into the history article and placed by their respective versions. ā-
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I've also been able to redownload my music from Apple after I had my hard drive crash along with my iPod, although it is evaluated on a case-by-case basis. You can try talking to Apple for confirmation.
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I don't see any discussion about merging the "iMix" thing, if there isn't any, that template should be removed. Otherwise, we should plan on what to merge into that section.
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How about just adding that one line, given that we already link the ITMS more than once. You have noticed that we have a whole section in this page on the ITMS right?
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iTunes 4 also used the green icon, but it isn't mentioned in this article so I thought I'd omit it. But you're right, it's better not foster wrong conclusions.--
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the icon for the itunes file is outdated; now the itunes logo is blue, slightly different, etc. could someone please change the picture of the logo? thanks.
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to turn the buttons back on again. There is not much ability to customize buttons/interface/skins etc is there.... ANYONE ELSE SHARE MY FRUSTRATION?
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