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Services) on Friday/Saturday and their Sunday church service is called FCF (Forerunner Christian Fellowship). The "attendance at their televised meetings is about 200" is an inaccurate statement and a bad reading of the article. I suggest removing it entirely for failed verification as well as not being important to the article.Travisharger 19:57, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
1261:*everything they do* attacks the authority of God's Word and promotes the lie of evolution *which has ZERO evidence* (NOT ONE IOTA) *supported by the scientific method* yet, without a shadow of a doubt, evolution is promoted in some form or fashion in EVERY SINGLE ARTICLE written in or by National Geographic, yet you've made no effort to criticize or correct that page OR to illustrate and reveal this bias and expose the TOTALLY ONE-SIDED position and NEITHER HAS ANYONE ELSE! This demonstrates how your "concern" for objectivity applies ONLY FOR THAT WHICH YOU DISAGREE--THE TRUE MARK OF A LYING HYPOCRITE.
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Regarding my post on IHOP which you deleted (this was my first ever post on Knowledge) I thank you if you posted a message on my help page, but it was quite general so leaves me feeling slightly confused as to what exactly I did wrong so there are a number of
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