Talk:Indian subcontinent/Archive 4

3249:.) In my experience, there is a general tendency in Indian publications to expand the geographical extent of the "Indian subcontinent," a vaguely defined 19th-century or early 20th-century term, and to prefer it to the more neutral "South Asia," which references regions of a large continent. As for "Greater India," except for specialty usage geophysics, it is now mostly an outdated term, popular once with nationalistic linguists and cultural historians of India (in the 20s and 30s). I'm surprised that all this is being discussed again. I had thought these issues had been resolved long ago. Also: Afghanistan and (especially not Burma) have never been a part of the Indian subcontinent, except perhaps in outliers (among usage) 1734:

the core countries" followed by a completely separate sentence that says something like, "Usually, _____ are excluded, although sometimes they are included, especially for geological purposes". The two things that this achieves are: (1) most people will end up with an answer that is applicable to whatever they're reading, and (2) it emphasizes the exclusion of Afghanistan while acknowledging that there is disagreement about the 'correct' place to draw the line (e.g., depending upon whether you're talking about politics or

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and you can also of course expand that section below. This version you suggest now is basically almost the same as the initial version with “rarely” , the user who agreed to this are only the ones who were also already agreeing to that version, the other users against it already had left their opinion on it in the RFC, so you can’t expect everybody to respond the same thing to a statement which they already disagreed to but with only a word changed(just an albeit before the rare)

1182:. Please note that the sentence you cherrypicked is followed by "It should establish the context in which the topic is being considered by supplying the set of circumstances or facts that surround it. If appropriate, it should give the location and time. It should also establish the boundaries of the topic; for example, the lead for the article List of environmental issues succinctly states that the list covers "harmful aspects of human activity on the biophysical environment"." 3755:

Pakistan to the west, as it falls under the "Asian" racial category whilst Afghanistan under the "White" racial. Afghanistan is also not only considered as a Central Asian country, but also a Middle Eastern by the FBI and some institutes. Overall, its too distinct to be labelled as a part of the Indian subcontinent,it makes no sense to consider a Turkmen or Uzbek, for example, to belong to a so called Indian subcontinent and there isn't much of a case to include them in.

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nonsense(Kabul part of Gandhara, seriously ?) . Especially, the part “South Asia and the Subcontinent are often interchangeable” should be clearly mentioned(even though it’s complicated with the SAARC and Afghanistan again since Afghanistan only recently joined for economic reasons but that’s why we have the term “often” or maybe we can say “sometimes”, either way it shouldn’t just say “are used interchangeably”). What do you think ?

5275: 3597:, the version before the disputes started (which means re-instating the information without the tweaks). But ofcourse there can be another RfC, or even a DRN. I would prefer to get out of this with a consensus, which neither needs to be unanimous, nor win a majority vote. Ideally an uninvolved admin can decide if there is a consensus or not, at the end of the 30 days. If needed we can resort to requesting a 1377:. However, some compromise could be reached on the second sentence, around that "often". Could add more balance with something more like: "The terms "Indian subcontinent" and "South Asia" may be used interchangeably to denote all or large parts of the region," where "large parts" is acknowledging that some people (e.g., these editors!) would disagree with some of the categorisation. 2507:

sometimes included in the Indian subcontinent as a boundary territory between Central Asia and northwestern parts of the Indian subcontinent, the socio-religious history of Afghanistan are related to the Turkic-influenced Central Asia. The Maldives, a country consisting of a small archipelago southwest of the peninsula, is considered part of the Indian subcontinent.“

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I want to complain about the main map used in the Infobox. Why use the national colour of India? The Indian subcontinent is not India! All maps in Knowledge use the dark green colour, why is this one using the national colour of India? It is an insult to the other six South Asian countries. I am very

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Geographically or geologically? Geographically, they are obviously not part of the physical "subcontinent", they are undisputedly island countries instead. Geologically, you are partly right, Sri Lanka shares the same continental shelf with the Indian mainland, but Maldives isn't, the country is made

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I would have to disagree that Sri Lanka and Maldives are technically not part of the Indian subcontinent. Geologically they are. They are located on the Indian Plate. Sri Lanka, in particular, has always been connected to India geologically. Geologically and culturally, they are very much part of

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Another example is “Indian classical music”. The definition of “Indian classical music” is “music from the Indian subcontinent”, but again, this only refers to the countries of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh, with one form of Indian classical music being “Hindustani” belonging to Pakistan, Bangladesh

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In fact, consensus requires an ability to agree to others, even if they don't agree to you. And you and شاه عباس clearly lack that ability. Also understand that two editors constantly protesting is no barrier to consensus. Also it is apparent that you have only one argument – posting cites to "prove"

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An RFC usually goes for at least 30 days if there isn’t a unanimously consensus, which is far from being the case here. I still stand by what I said that Afghanistan doesn’t deserve a mention in the lead but instead should be discussed further below as it already is, which you actually also agreed to

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I guess the whole problem stemmed from the decision to keep two separate articles for the same entity - South Asia and Indian subcontinent. That definitely required a defination for the subcontinent, but unfortunately highly reputed sources are not in agreement. If we go by OED alone, then this needs

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Seems like a fair solution, however don’t you think this text about Afghanistan in the geopolitical section already covers your suggestion: “Afghanistan, despite often being considered as a part of South Asia, is usually not included in the Indian subcontinent. Even when some parts of Afghanistan are

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Both should probably be included. The second sentence is important because the reader should know, up front, that the terms are often used interchangeably. The first sentence (Afghanistan and Myanmar) appears to be well sourced. The purpose of the lead is to succinctly explain what a topic covers and

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this isn't where you provide your opinion in regards to the information presented. The purpose of this RFC (although it takes a while to discern because of the lack of clarity) is to determine whether or not this information should be included in the lead section or not. That is to say: whether it is

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It's important to acknowledge that 'Indian subcontinent' is a widely recognized term with historical and geographical significance. While 'Bareazam' might be another name, 'Indian subcontinent' is the commonly accepted term in English to describe this region. Changing it would only create confusion.

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for reasons stated before, the term Indian subcontinent is generally used for the area under the control of the British, which Afghanistan as a whole was certainly never a part of. This is the standard view politically speaking, for example the US census recognizes the subcontinent as beginning with

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Almost every source (RS or not) that provides a list of countries that belong to the Indian subcontinent includes Sri Lanka (apart from OED), and, apart from a handful, also Maldives. Some also include Afghanistan and Myanmar (not necessarily Indian sources). The article cites some of those sources.

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The problem is that the term is a mess of geology, geography, and political identities and these regions, particularly Afghanistan, have strong historical ties with the region. The second problem is that, by having separate articles on South Asia and the Indian subcontinent, we're twisting ourselves

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Merge discussion happened long time back with consensus that this article is about the geological/geograpical entity and South Asia is about the political/geopolitical entity. That is why this one doesn't require the continent infobox. The difference between these two entities is not Afghanistan. It

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Essentially yes, I don't see Aditya emphasising and bringing this undue quagmire on this page constructive in any way. These terms are best mentioned as suggested or very rare names as mentioning those as alternative names gives readers a false notion that these terms have significant use in general

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futile accusations of teaming. I assume you have not read "Assume good faith, and keep in mind that in almost all cases it is better to address other editors' reasoning than it is to accuse them of being on a team. Unsubstantiated accusations of tag teaming are uncivil. Care should be taken to frame

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Well as far as I understand, these two sentences are perfectly in compliance of every Knowledge standard (my understanding only, could be wrong), and almost all the opposition are in violation of multiple policies and guidelines. At that I may have done the right thing. But I am pretty sure I didn't

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South Asia has been suffering from Indian domination for too long, mate. As far as I know, a lot of countries are now using "South Asian Subcontinent" instead of "Indian Subcontinent" to describe this region. This is a correct move, hopefully, more mainstream media will start to use the term "South

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That link claims the first use of the term was in 1952, which is obviously incorrect. If you want to convince people to make this change to the article you're going to need a better source than a dictionary. In any case, we list alternative names in the 'Name' subection, where they can be presented

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This is an edit I could just do but the topic is oddly sensitive. Use of the term “Indian Subcontinent” is “increasingly less” used. The phrase is strange to the ear. Can something be “increasingly less”? No easy change immediately comes to mind, perhaps “used less frequently”. I think a change is

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The Indian subcontinent usually is used interchangeably with South Asia but the Indian subcontinent usually refers to the part of south asia that was a part of British Raj after WW2. As the British never fully controlled Afghanistan it isn't technically a part of the Indian subcontinent. However it

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I am not sure if you really understood how things went down, but if there is no consensus the article indeed goes back to the status quo/the initial version, which is the version prior to you edits, as all of this only became a thing due to your forcefully putting in things into the article without

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While the "no Afghanistan" block were busy fighting it out here (and in the past edit wars) to exclude Afghanistan, an annon had added it to the lead (along with BIOT), and no one noticed. It stayed there for days, until I removed it. Hilarious. By the way, the same block tried removing Afghanistan

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Not at all, both the terms have sufficient distinctions mentioned in their independent coverages that we will be botching the entire topic even if considering any merger. Article anyway needs great amount of expansion relevant to geography what isn't really a problem if someone decides to work upon

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The interesting part is all of the editors disputing the content have kept removing increasing amount of material, all containing completely different information, and kept pretending that all were covered by the discussion for the first removal, which removed the least amount of material. The last

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Yeah, which is already included in the lede of the South Asia article. Yet what one effectively defunct government considers, doesn't equal to what literally a vast corpus of non-defunct governmental and non-governmental institutions (including South Asia Studies programs) assert, i.e. putting the

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The current situation is that the Afghan people consider their country as a part of Central Asia, the previous Afghan government (Islamic Republic) considers Afghanistan to be a transregional country which is a part of both Central Asia and South Asia. The position of the current Afghan government

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also already made some good valid point why it doesn’t belong into the lede, why do you want everyone to re-write their comments now? Also if I remember correctly you more or less tended to agree about not including Afghanistan in the lede but instead elaborating on its ambiguous geography further

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I was thinking of putting the line after "The precise definition of an "Indian subcontinent" in a geopolitical context is somewhat contested as there is no globally accepted definition on which countries are a part of South Asia or the Indian subcontinent. Whether called the Indian subcontinent or

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weren't in the sentence at all. It's my experience that Knowledge editors pay more attention than others, so if they're skipping that word, then we should assume that a busy/distracted reader will get it wrong. The solution is to write more sentences. Imagine a paragraph that begins, "_____ are

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isn't incorrect at all. These newly suggested terms have only found place in cherrypicked sources and are outpaced in prevalence by far if you use google results against existing name and aren't mentioned in sufficient frequency to be even noted on Knowledge. These names are essentially induced by

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Moreover, nobody is arguing over the complete exclusion of Afghanistan in the article. As the article now stands, Afghanistan is talked about further down in a quite detailed section that perfectly suffices. It is unclear and vague why this state of affairs should undergo any alterations. Regards.

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in the lead. The information is controversial and of uncertain nature. Just by judging by the fact that such a strong opposition has spontaneously risen to its inclusion one can see the reason for why it should not be included. This information is not accepted by all sources and the lead should be

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for now, and request that you state the reason for your opposition. It is understood that Afghanistan is not generally included, but why stating exactly that should be excluded from the lead? Please, don't go posting cites, again, to prove Afghanistan doesn't belong, that's beyond the point here.

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By the way, the version you opposed to have been proposed on October 3. You have commented in the discussion on October 8 without any mention of the proposal (which was supported by more than half the participating editors by that time). You commented only after I proposed to incorporate the text

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Also the paragraph "Geologically, the Indian subcontinent ... Geographically, it is Geopolitically, the Indian subcontinent includes ..." should be removed in its entirety. It is both OR and Synthesis, witness the need for seven citations. It is not a good idea to conflate the "subcontinent" (a

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I am sure we can smooth out these kinks out of our discussion/decision pretty easily. And, hey, thanks for joining. By the way, I had proposed to merge South Asia and Indian subcontinent quite some time back, and had taken some flak for the attempt (telling so you know where my heart lies, but we

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The qualifier added is only in reference to the image it that is in use. I'm sure the reader would have an easy time understanding that the subcontinent has geographical as well as geopolitical connotations. This is in the lede. This is what is mentioned. If you believe it will confuse a reader,

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I strongly disagree with the inclusion of Afghanistan in the lead of this article. The framing of Afghanistan as apart of the subcontinent is very shaky. Subjective aspects to the Subcontinent's classifications are best left to be addressed in later sections of the article. The introductory lead

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I agrred to anything that had the agreement of a large number of editors, with valid reasons, including yours. That doesn't make your POV any more special than others. Stop repeating "you agreed", it is an absolutely lame reason to include or exclude something in an article. As for the very good

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A merge at first seems like a good idea, however in a merged article the eternal on going discussions and edit wars about Afghanistan(not only the recent incidents, this happens regularly) will escalate even more, because Afghanistan is included in the South Asia article in the core definition (

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By the way, if this not closed with a consensus then the article goes back to state before the war as per policies. That means concessions made to the contentious sentences will not be accomodated. We have waited three months for a consensus (over three discussion threads), long enough to apply

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agrees. And I have tried a merger proposal already in the past. Perhaps there is reason enough discuss a merger again. If we again decide that Indian subcontinent is a geographical entity and South Asia is a geopolitical entity then we should seriously improve the geography/geology parts of the

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results in reverting proposed text to the version before the proposal. As clearly as can be determined from the edit history, this proposal grows out of an edit war over the inclusion of the phrase, "...although the latter term is used typically as a political term and is also used to sometimes

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However we can include Afghanistan below in other sections, my intentions are definitely not the complete exclusion of the two sentences. As long as it is not in the core definition in the lead and well sourced then it is alright academically. Scarcely Khestwol’s proposal how to do it is just

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breaches the principle that the opening paragraph is reserved for context and "facts". As the occasional inclusiveness of Afghanistan means that it lies on shaky foundation and not foundations of certainty and distinction. The picture presented furthermore, as argued before by others, does not

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The sh*tty part is that "I" happen to be the only person who is still in the discussion (Santoshsatvik left in 11 September, and ArvindPalaskar left in 15 September, while rejecting the idea of taking the discussion to an RfC or a DRN). I also am the only person personally attacked in the edit

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Before the freedom of all countries in subcontinent or Bareazam or before it's division it is called "Bareazam". And it also a right word describe " subcontinent" . The word Indian subcontinent is totally wrong because it's name was " Bareazam" and is also called " subcontinent" to refer all

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If the subcontinent is defined only as a peninsula, then Nepal and Bhutan may become ineligible for inclusion. If it is defined as the land part of the Indian plate, then Sri Lanka and Maldives, as well as parts of Afghanistan and Myanmar fit fine. The coinage came from the Brits during their

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The current version says "or simply, the subcontinent". While South Asian Subcontinent may be an alternate name, you're completely changing the meaning of the statement. Feel free to add South Asian Subcontinent (though, note that "per" the existence of a redirect is generally not a reliable

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The article is titled "Indian subcontinent" and adding a qualifier the way you've done is confusing to the reader. Does there, for example, another Indian subcontinent that requires us to use a qualifer here? I'm also not sure that geopolitical fits but that's merely a secondary issue. ( Per

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which refers to a distinct cultural region of Asia Pacific, too has been rendered as a name for the geographical entity by giving undue weight to a couple of sources. This term is best to be excluded for Indian subcontinent unless supported by at least 10 good sources. The article refers to

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Eg. “Indian cuisine” refers to food from the “Indian subcontinent” but it only really includes Pakistani, Indian and Bangladeshi food. Food from Nepal and Bhutan wouldn’t be listed as “Indian food” despite supposedly being part of “the Indian subcontinent”. Whereas Pakistani and Bangladeshi

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equal a negative assumption. Moreover, this absence of an affirmative (albeit it is not truly affirmative given that it is forwarded with "rarely") is later remedied in the same article under a different section. Otherwise, as already mentioned by myself and conveniently ignored by yourself

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generally per Regentspark. The statement regarding Afghanistan, Maldives, and the like is well-sourced. A source emphasizing its exclusion can and should be mentioned in the article, but it does not preclude mentioning Afghanistan because other sources mention it in their discussion of the

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Since the partition of India, citizens of Pakistan (which became independent of British India in 1947) and Bangladesh (which became independent of Pakistan in 1971) often perceive the use of "Indian subcontinent" as offensive and suspicious because of the dominant placement of India in the

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I think the RfC should ask "Should Afghanistan and the Maldives be included in the lead" and "Should 'Used interchangably with South Asia' be included in the lead" or something to that effect. That should cover the disputed text, unless I have been mistaken. I haven't been around since my

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The timestamp at the end of the case wouldn't have helped. The presence of the "Case" subheading itself would have screwed the RfC listing entry, even if other problems had been addressed. If that were removed, the statement would then have been something like 9,900 bytes long, which is a

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sources that mention Afghanistan as a border territory or “sometimes” included in the definition. however after reading through all the opinions and thinking about it for a while I changed my view a little bit regarding the Myanmar and “south Asia and Indian subcontinent sometimes used

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Thanks for the suggestions. I am sure we can work out something in those lines. Initially my concern was to keep the sentence with a list of countries short (as is probably due for a non-political geographical/geological entity). But that shortness may not be the best way to go.

1103:, "The first paragraph should define or identify the topic with a neutral point of view, but without being too specific." Now, this is not about my personal feeling towards the use of this or that adverb. This is about encyclopedic honesty in regards to presenting a topic from a 1280:

the same as saying that "it is never included" as you have implied to be the argument of those opposing your POV. I will not respond to the "teaming" accusation, because it is hard to see it as anything other than a weak attempt not to be taken seriously at this point. Cheers.

1133:, both on this page and on pages recently edited by your 'opponents" on pages with little to no relevance to your general habits of editing, show that perhaps you are not engaging in this affair with good faith. By doing what I cited above, you have shown that you have been 505:

Edit summary: "Aditya Kabir (talk) This is a controversial inclusion, if you feel that it must be included, it should be placed elsewhere and definitely not in the lead of the article which is next to a map and list of countries which mentions neither of the two countries."

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Comment: Sorry, I did not see this earlier. The Oxford English Dictionary (OED) Third Edition, 2009, (not Oxford Dictionary of English, which is a much shorter dictionary), the ultimate arbiter of the English language, especially British and Commonwealth usage, says this:

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Geopolitically, the Indian subcontinent includes all or part of Bangladesh, Bhutan, India, Nepal, Pakistan and Sri Lanka, as well as Maldives, and rarely Afghanistan and Myanmar. The terms "Indian subcontinent" and "South Asia" are often used interchangeably to denote the

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This discussion is very unfocused and the RfC questions were mostly ignored by the majority of participants except for the narrow question of inclusion of Afghanistan and Myanmar in the lead's definition of the subcontinent. The result of that discussion is that there is

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The problem is that these edit warriors have not removed country names from the lead, they removed it from article altogether. But they are pretending that they are removing it only from the lead. The amount of lies and fake comments they are thrwoing is muddling up this

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Also used with wider application to include Bhutan, Nepal, Sri Lanka, and the Maldives. The term is roughly equivalent to South Asia, esp. in the wider use, although Indian subcontinent is sometimes considered to be more of a geophysical description, and South Asia more

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and should be capitalized. It refers to the southern region of Asia, which includes countries such as India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Bhutan, and Sri Lanka. It is important to use proper capitalization when referring to specific geographic regions or proper nouns."

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South Asia, the definition of the geographical extent of this region varies." Along with the fact that some sources, including the IMF, consider Maldives to be outside the Indian subcontinent, though rarely. I also have the geological context of Maldives ready in my

1624: 1619: 1522:, all other countries being pushed here have highly ambiguous status. It is thus quite safe to use GDP, population and area of these countries only for infobox. Indian subcontinent is a more tightly defined term than South Asia and largely certain to its references. 616:

Since this is not my personal battle to fight, I hope I can get the community involved to help this reach a consensus (may be three consensus, because this is about three different things disguised as one). Now pinging the editors I was advised to ask for help:

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Time magazine and Katzner may be very clear, but they are not explicit, and perhaps not as clear as a plain list of countries described as part of Indian subcontinent. A lot many sources provide that list rather explicitly, without a need to take leaps in

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I am fine with that suggestion of you, however let the previous statement of you about the Afghanistan untouched. We can discuss a merge of this article with South Asia as RegentsPark suggested elsewhere, for the first we need to find a solution for this.

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I would support this wording. It's factually accurate, and from the point of view of someone with no dog in the fight, an impartial way of phrasing it. In fact, I don't like the "albeit", as that is verging on editorialising. I would just leave "rarely".

5518:. "South Asia" (or any other "region" of the world), is largely a geopolitical construct, of which Afghanistan is very much part of per a vast amount of WR:RS. There's not enough WP:RS to have it included as part of the term "Indian subcontinent" though. 3479:

which I don’t necessarily agree with but that’s another topic for itself) but it isn’t included in the core definition of the Indian subcontinent, how would we handle that ? That’s why I think for the first we shouldn’t merge, however we should merge

1057:"The information is controversial". To whom? The team that assumed reverting as an alternative to discussion? "This information is not accepted by all sources". Really? Is that argument? The sources, respectable and reliable, clearly says Afghanistan 5431:

doesn't automatically qualify Afghanistan to be a part of the region geographically. Japan can apply to join the EU if they want to and the EU has the option to accept or decline their application, just like Australia applied and got accepted by the

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Which means, if a list of countries are there, it will be a comprehensive list. Which also means, if something is "rearely included" by RS it will be not become "never included" because a couple of editors want it to be that way, even if they form a

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The real controversial part is the inclusion of Afghanistan in South Asia. I have never met an Afghan person who actually considers their country to be a part of South Asia. If Afghanistan is included, we may as well include Iran in South Asia too.

1629: 4627:"If we included modern nation-states that have cultural continuities with an earlier Indian empire, the Mughal empire, we might look to the area of Persian influence and include modern Afghanistan and even Iran in our subject matter." 5401:. As it stands, an overwhelming number of governmental and non-governmental institutions (including South Asia Studies programs) put Afghanistan into South Asia, something which is not the case for Iran. Afghanistan is even part of 4588:"The subcontinent of South Asia consists of the nations of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Bhutan and the Maldives. To these we may add parts of Afghanistan, Tibet and Burma that clearly fall into the Indic civilisation sphere." 4443:"The subcontinent of South Asia consists of the nations of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Bhutan and the Maldives. To these we may add parts of Afghanistan, Tibet and Burma that clearly fall into the Indic civilisation sphere." 4122:"The subcontinent of South Asia consists of the nations of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Bhutan and the Maldives. To these we may add parts of Afghanistan, Tibet and Burma that clearly fall into the Indic civilisation sphere." 2836:"The subcontinent of South Asia consists of the nations of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Bhutan and the Maldives. To these we may add parts of Afghanistan, Tibet and Burma that clearly fall into the Indic civilisation sphere." 2359:"The subcontinent of South Asia consists of the nations of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Bhutan and the Maldives. To these we may add parts of Afghanistan, Tibet and Burma that clearly fall into the Indic civilisation sphere." 2280:"The subcontinent of South Asia consists of the nations of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Bhutan and the Maldives. To these we may add parts of Afghanistan, Tibet and Burma that clearly fall into the Indic civilisation sphere." 120:

include Afghanistan and Myanmar." The prior version, therefore, would exclude this phrase. Attempts to focus on the other issues raised should be addressed through much more narrowly-defined discussions. A thorough reading of

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Although the Indian Subcontinent CAN include all of the countries stated, I think it’s important to note that a lot of the time it’s used to refer JUST to what USED to be “India” ie modern day India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.

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Part of encyclopedic honesty (I don't think it is necessary to point towards specific legislation here) is to follow consensus of the 'encyclopedians' involved. In regards to this, there was already a consensus reached in

3220:"Indian subcontinent n. the part of Asia south of the Himalayas which forms a peninsula extending into the Indian Ocean between the Arabian Sea and the Bay of Bengal, now divided between India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh. 3725:

Is that an Knowledge guideline? I thought it was about being "accurate", "verifiable" and "relevant", not "unanimous". Almost nothing is unanimous in this world, not even biological evolution or existence of god.

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summaries. And I also made three of the 10 reverts made since ArvindPalaskar's edit. Looks like my personal war, though I believe I have stayed within every single WP policy and guideline (I may be wrong though).

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ChatGPT's responses don't give you correct answers, only those that sound like they are correct. "Indian subcontinent" is the correct term to use much like you wouldn't capitalist the letter 'M' in "Indian man"

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Lol. Though, I'm beginning to understand why, despite the preponderance of evidence that Afghanistan is often included in references to the Indian subcontinent, there is this aversion to saying so on Knowledge!

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It is clear in these examples, that in the primary sense, Sri Lanka and the Maldives are not part of the subcontinent (Colombo was just as busy a port as Bombay; the southernmost tip of the subcontinent speaks

1141:, and bringing the matter (which, for some reason, you appear to be taking personally) elsewhere on the encyclopedia, and providing little reasoning for doing so. Under wikipedia's internal legislature this is 1037:

Thanks for finally joining the discussion. It is never too late. About the reason for opposition, I would like to remind that "such a strong opposition has spontaneously risen" either is a misunderstanding of

4575:"South Asia is sometimes referred to as the Indian subcontinent of the Indo-Pak Subcontinent, and comprises the modern nation states of Bangladesh, Bhutan, India, the Maldives, Nepal, Pakistan and Sri Lanka." 4430:"South Asia is sometimes referred to as the Indian subcontinent of the Indo-Pak Subcontinent, and comprises the modern nation states of Bangladesh, Bhutan, India, the Maldives, Nepal, Pakistan and Sri Lanka." 4109:"South Asia is sometimes referred to as the Indian subcontinent of the Indo-Pak Subcontinent, and comprises the modern nation states of Bangladesh, Bhutan, India, the Maldives, Nepal, Pakistan and Sri Lanka." 2823:"South Asia is sometimes referred to as the Indian subcontinent of the Indo-Pak Subcontinent, and comprises the modern nation states of Bangladesh, Bhutan, India, the Maldives, Nepal, Pakistan and Sri Lanka." 2346:"South Asia is sometimes referred to as the Indian subcontinent of the Indo-Pak Subcontinent, and comprises the modern nation states of Bangladesh, Bhutan, India, the Maldives, Nepal, Pakistan and Sri Lanka." 2267:"South Asia is sometimes referred to as the Indian subcontinent of the Indo-Pak Subcontinent, and comprises the modern nation states of Bangladesh, Bhutan, India, the Maldives, Nepal, Pakistan and Sri Lanka." 1265:? I am sure you have noticed how other editors voiced their opinion against the preference of your team, reverted edits by the team, and even prtected the article against the team. Play by the rules, please. 5907:

As often happens, ChatGPT gave you a crap response. "Indian subcontinent" is an informal term without a complete consensus as to its precise limits or definition, and as such is not customarily capitalized.

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We just had an RfC on this issue. Another RfC right away, without any real substantive discussion about whether this compromise could work, is against the spirit and wording of our policies and guidelines.

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1975 K. Katzner Langs. of World ii. 199 Tamil..is spoken principally in the state of Tamil Nadu (formerly Madras), located on the eastern coast and extending down to the southernmost tip of the Indian

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signifies there is disagreement over whether it belongs. The South Asia statement is also well sourced. It may be incorrect, but what reliable sources say is more important than our own opinions. --

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for inclusion of Afghanistan in lead. Inclusion of Afghanistan is the core difference between very definitions of South Asia and Indian subcontinent. Unduly emphasing its rare mentions is just

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Really!! Dang. I thought ghere was a timestamp at the end of the case, which is the statement. Is that inappropriate? What would make it valid? A section called "statement" with a timestamp?

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My understanding is that culturally, Afghanistan is not within the subcontinent, but geologically, the portion of Afghanistan that's to the southeast of the Hindu Kush would be within it.—

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countries when in it before division. Indian subcontinent name is totally wrong because it refers only one country India.It should be " subcontinent " because we're part of it too.

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Also there are progressively more and more information removed, though they are pretending that they are removing the same information. It is so distressing to see thie team in action.

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Well, it's a fact. Afghan communities can be found all over Western countries, this fact can be easily verified by having a conversation with them on the streets. Being a member of

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Now the reliable sources explicitly including Afghanistan in Indian subcontinent is "a lack of an affirmative proposition"! Interesting. As for your continued attack... may I offer

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that make up your comment. I also will ignore that your comment is netither about the topic in discussion, nor about the comment I made, rather it is about an editor you don't like.

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It has also been called the "Asian Subcontinent", the "Indian Subcontinent", or the "Indo-Pak subcontinent", as well as India or Greater India in the classical and pre-modern sense.

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I have never met an Afghan person who actually considers their country to be a part of South Asia. (...) The real controversial part is the inclusion of Afghanistan in South Asia."

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responded to the inevitability of internal contradiction in the lead section if Afghanistan is included, instead you have regarded this as just another conspiracy against you by a

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paragraphs of this article should only contain definite information such as Pakistan's inclusion into the subcontinent, which is unanimously accepted among all commentators.

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article for a long time to be aware that the term is neither applied exclusively to the Subcontinent nor is widely used anymore. But neither warrants an exclusion of the term.

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When a source explicitly and unambiguosly says something, it is not cherrypicking the source (read the page you linked). BTW, what earlier consensus are you talking about?

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In regards to the only thing you said about the article: you hyperbolic usage of "never included" betrays a basic logical fallacy. The lack of an affirmative proposition

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Well, it's a fact. Afghan communities can be found all over Western countries, this fact can be easily verified by having a conversation with them on the streets."

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Since there is no discussion or consensus building or presentation of arguments by the PoV team, I guess, it is alright to reinstate the following in the lead per

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interchangeably“ part though. A quick search among academic scholarly books will give you only the core nations with Myanmar and Indian ocean Islands mentioned:

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Use reverting as an alternative to discussion (especially in an article under DS)? ... 5 reverts and 0 discussion (all of them aware of DS) and a declaration to

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Edit summary: "Afghanistan should not be listed in the beginning but its occasional inclusion should be explained further below (my conclusion from talk page)"

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This is confusing. How can the two terms be interchangeable when one does not include Afghanistan? The wording which Aditya initially suggested seems better.

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imperial times, and is interpreted slightly differently by different acedemics and commentators. The article describes some of the arguments around the term.

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I too believe that merging this article with South Asia is the best way forward. At least we all are in agreement that Afghanistan is part of South Asia. --

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to continue edti warring. Interesting to see that it is possible on the Knowledge to declare your TEAM and its disruptive intentions, and get away with it.

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Asian Subcontinent", the "Indian Subcontinent", or the "Indo-Pak subcontinent", as well as India or Greater India in the classical and pre-modern sense"

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that most authors exclude Afghanistan – and that is so irrelevant a point here (everyone knows that, and that's what is written in the proposed text).

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The same three editors are removing it repeatedly while pretending they are removing only the names of Maldives, Afghanistan and Myanmar from the lead.

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The same three editors are removing it repeatedly while pretending they are removing only the names of Maldives, Afghanistan and Myanmar from the lead.

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If we don't have any other objection that was already not discussed, I probably should edit the text into the article. This has gone on for too long.

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perhaps a map underneath in terms of physical geography would suffice. The problem we have here is that we have two definitions and only one image.

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The Himalayas are actually not part of the Indian subcontinent. They are merely the border between the Indian Subcontinent and South East Asia.

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into the article, after waiting a while to see if someone disagrees (I even pinged dissenting editors to comment). I hope nobody sees this as a

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1905 Times 10 Nov. 5/1 The busy harbour ..has become the chief centre of direct communication between Europe and the Indian sub-continent.

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highlight Afghanistan in any way, which means the lead will have internal contradictions if Afghanistan is included literally but not visually.

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I’m not sure why this was ever in dispute anyway, to the person that reverted my edit. Why do you think it’s called the INDIAN subcontinent?

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You have misread my comment. "Lack of an affirmative proposition" was referring to the exclusion of Afghanistan in the lead and how this is

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because they are often used interchangeably as the sources provided by OP show. (Not that we need sources for something fairly obvious). --

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The "accepted Indian Map" is irrelevant to whatever the consensus of reliable sources say. India is not the world, there are other views.

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Any way we can use a switcher like the European page? Doesn't seem to allow for continental infobox pictures to have captions underneath.

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I think that we generally benefit from having separate articles about geology and politics, especially when the borders aren't identical.

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It would be difficult to maintain that the ultimate arbiter of English is also the ultimate arbiter of geography (political or otherwise).

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that includes accurately summarizing the boundaries of a geographical region and areas that are sometimes included should be mentioned. --

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The map used doesn't show complete India. The Gilgit Baltistan and Aksai Chin are considered part of India as per accepted Indian Map.

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Are we trying to make Indian subcontinent a smaller version of South Asia? Otherwise why are we discussing GDP etc. out of nowhere?

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There's an edit war happening at this article by editors who are not participating in any discussion despite repeated requests. The

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The inclusion of Afghanistan breaches neutrality in several ways. First of all, the lack of unequivocal inclusion in the sources

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as discussed below. There could be further opposition in future against including Afghanistan as part of Indian subcontinent. --

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Is there some way of captioning only the image and not the infobox? I see a caption attribute but it doesn't seem to show up.--

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I shouldn't have brought that up :). Let's table the merge for the time being because this is complicated enough as it is. --

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for the information that is certain and unequivocal, the rest is part of the discussion of the topic not its introduction.

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Saudi Arabia lies in the western part of the Asian continent at the junction of the European Asian and African continent

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assertions in an appropriate way, citing evidence in the appropriate venues, following our dispute resolution process."

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The number of removals now stand at 11 (from the 10 I posted above), the number of discussion participation still zero.

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Have no objection to the solution. Although if you ask me, a permanent solution would be to merge this article with

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country in South Asia. Hence the effectively defunct government's statement is correctly shown as just a note, per

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Unfortunately, your IRL experiences don't count as a source on Knowledge. On Knowledge, articles are written using

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would you please get consensus on the talk page of an article when someone reverts a bold addition you've made?) --

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Ehhhm, that text I quoted was written by Aditya... Also the terms are sometimes used interchangeably, not always.

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Other users who oppose are also invited to state their reasons. I hope the reasons will be as valid, if not more.

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The sh*tty part is so sh*tty that one of the editors Deepfriedokra suggested me to go to, Vanamonde93, observed "

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it from the article altogether, and not just the lead while pretending they are removing it just from the lead.}}

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is back with the mission to remove Afghanistan, the White-race country, from South Asia, the Dark-race region (

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it. For me as I told before, don't have time and I may take a while before I start editing again like before.

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seems to be the right thing to do on the Knowledge, irrespective of how we judge the names. I have edited the

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important enough and bears enough weight to be the first thing a reader sees when clicking on this article.

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restaurants will be labelled as “Indian restaurants”, Nepali restaurants are labelled as “Nepalese”.

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into knots trying to explain the difference, when the differences in usage are almost non-existent. --

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The terms "Indian subcontinent" and "South Asia" is often used interchangeably to denote the region.

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The terms "Indian subcontinent" and "South Asia" is often used interchangeably to denote the region

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Whoever invented this term initially obviously made a grammatical error. Why don't we correct it?

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If someone still have not commented, there are only five more days left for this RfC to go stale.

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It looks like you figured out how to edit the page source. Let us know if you still need help. --

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I'm not sure about this. My preference would be to include both in the lead. Perhaps as follows:

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geographical region which lies on Indo-Australian while South Asia is for a geopolitical region.

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Ending disruption is purpose enough. Please, do not make personal attacks your signature style.

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Since there is a list of countries that belong to region in the lead, is it alright to include "

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that added more unsourced material without addressing those tagged (none were ever addressed).

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along with more smear and a clear awareness of policies (despite complete disregard for them).

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as far as I can see, those terms were not in the lead prior to your involvement in the article

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The named reference "mcleodplus" was defined multiple times with different content (see the

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But thanks for talking and not reverting. It is definitely an refreshing change in events.

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subcontinent. It just means that there is debate over its inclusion. The term "rarely" in

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Everything from the opposition has been already mentioned, you can read through it again

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Those essentially are for two different concerns. Split them for degree of disagreement.

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Balochisan and FATA of pakistan does not lies in Indian Subcontinent please remove them

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about how Afghanistan may not be a part of the Subcontinent? Shall I also reinstate the

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have spontaneously suggested a merger potential of Indian subcontinent into South Asia.

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This isn't a creative writing competition. The purpose of this RFC is not clear *at all*

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Asian Subcontinent" and eventually "Indian Subcontinent" will become a historical term.

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It is irrelevant. Saudi Arabia is never considered a part of the Indian Subcontinent.

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It doesn't matter what you think as an editor. Knowledge is based in reliable sources

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What Is Wrong with Islamic Economics?: Analysing the Present State and Future Agenda

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with Aditya. Afghanistan (at least its eastern area, including its largest city,

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I don’t know how to add citations in wiki articles, so I’ll post a source here:

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Nuclear Non-proliferation Diplomacy: Nuclear Power Programmes in the Third World

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Does alternative names for the subject belong in the article, if not the lead ("

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from South Asia and including it into Central Asia. Both unsuccessful. Perhaps

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article but it is not getting displayed correctly. Please correct it. Thanks!-

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Note 2: The sentence that removed by Santoshsatvik was already in the article

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On 14th September, Xerxes931 removed both the sentences removed earlier and

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The Archaeology of South Asia: From the Indus to Asoka, c.6500 BCE–200 CE

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The Archaeology of South Asia: From the Indus to Asoka, c.6500 BCE–200 CE

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The Archaeology of South Asia: From the Indus to Asoka, c.6500 BCE–200 CE

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The Archaeology of South Asia: From the Indus to Asoka, c.6500 BCE–200 CE

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The Archaeology of South Asia: From the Indus to Asoka, c.6500 BCE–200 CE

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The Archaeology of South Asia: From the Indus to Asoka, c.6500 BCE–200 CE

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And... just in case, this RfC has about eight days to run out of time.

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to work towards a consensus but didn't participate in the discussions.

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I made the edits? Do not mock someone else's efforts to keep up your

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Looks like we have a consensus to include the following in the lead:

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one that accused me of a personal agenda removed the maximum amount.

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The case is stated below. Against this case there are few questions:

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and North India, and the other form, Carnatic, being South Indian.

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Core nations + additional nations are mentioned but not Afghanistan

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The image that you think dictates WP guidelines, was put there by

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which clearly is not being followed thoroughly or faithfully here.

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I just copied the names of the countries exactly as it is in the

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Any further input on this? Looks like we are close to a closure.

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Geopolitically, the Indian subcontinent includes all or part of

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geographical synonym for the term "India" in British days) and

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Talk:Indian_subcontinent#Afghanistan

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Use personal attacks in the edit summaries as a smear campaign?

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Geography of the South Asian Subcontinent: A Critical Approach

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Three editors, constantly reverting and never discussing, are

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nobody is arguing over the complete exclusion of Afghanistan

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signifies nothing. The consensus you talk about is just one

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worth it for quality control but realize this is exiguous.

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