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Senator, I'll generally go to it last for things not mentioned in other sources for this reason.) That Trove covers all but the last two years of his Senate career and his death should mean there are fairly easily accessible alternatives that would make it less reliant on that one source and can flesh out the article as needed.
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Critchley was ever preselected in a position on the ticket where he could possibly lose, especially in that era, so the exact numbers/exact final position in which he was elected is getting into the weeds of electoral wonk stuff.
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