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Susanoo the Japanese government (the gods being in this case a metaphor for the government and its people) worked to bring Japan (Amaterasu in metaphor in this case) out of the darkness caused by WWII and it's militaristic government (Susanoo being the metaphor here)?
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goods trade deficits in the first half of the 1980s. Japan bashing then took on a life of its own with a wide range of grievances over unfair and illegal trade practices. Leading the charge back then was a young Deputy US Trade Representative named Robert Lighthizer."
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